tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-78237026758333003742024-02-21T07:04:01.372-08:00ISKCON A VERDADEHare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama,
Rama Rama Hare HareAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-78255918908787311502011-09-30T10:26:00.001-07:002011-09-30T10:26:53.967-07:00Levando Srila Prabhupada á sério<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">A seguinte carta foi escrita por Sua Santidade B.V. Bhagavata Maharaja, discípulo de Srila Bhakti Pramoda Puri Gosvami Maharaja, que, na idade de 101 anos é o mais reverenciado e sênior discípulo de Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada que ainda está vivendo no planeta.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Neste sério trabalho são apresentadas respostas ás varias infundadas e enganadoras acusações feitas por um membro da ISKCON Corpo Governante contra a personalidade de Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja. </span></span> <br />
<div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Nossa razão de incluir esta carta neste livro</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">na forma de apêndice é que os pontos levantados por ele na defesa de Srila Narayana Maharaja são corretos e pertinentes às fundamentais verdades que condizem com o principio de <i>acarya</i>. Por uma paciente e imparcial</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">leitura das lógicas afirmações que ele faz aqui, alguém poderá ver claramente que um acarya pode ser diferente do outro em termos de métodos detalhados que ele emprega para o presente e a absoluta</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">mensagem da <i>sampradaya</i> até o publico em geral e para seus discípulos em particular; mas isto não prova, em si mesmo, que ele não está na linha do seu predecessor acarya. O audaz e sem compromisso tom de sua apresentação desafia-nos a entender os dois genios e a sensibilidade utilizada pelo Acarya em sua misericórdia entregue da esotérica verdade do Vaisnavismo da Gaudiya para as massas.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Ele cita o exemplo da poderosa missão de pregação de Sua Divina Graça A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, o Nityananda-saktyavesha-avatara do século XX que espalhou a mensagem de Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu em todas as partes do globo. Em sua apresentação das praticas e ensinamentos do Gaudiya Vaisnavismo para o publico moderno, ele escolheu moldá-los em uma forma diferente daquela de seu próprio Guru Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. Ainda, ao fazer</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">isto, ele não estava realmente desviando de seu Gurudeva, mas antes disso ele estava demonstrando sua absoluta dedicação às suas ordens. Por isso nos devemos enxergar que nos corações dos mais exaltados Vaisnavas existe misericórdia transbordante para ajudar a difícil condições das almas caídas. É esta verdadeira compaixão que os inspira a idear caminhos para atrair e para engrenar os sinceros aspirantes enquanto aceitam o remédio que eles vêem entregar. A diferente aparência deles ou dos predecessores é ainda uma marca e medida de suas próprias glorias e posições de exaltada realização espiritual.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Nós apreciamos a lógica e objetividade da carta de Sripad Bhagavata Maharaja, e aplaudimos sua coragem e esforço para defender um devoto puro de Sri Sri Radha-Krsna. Sua carta é apresentada aqui por inteiro e sem alterações.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Levando Srila Prabhupada á sério:</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Carta de Sua Santidade Bhakti Vidagadha Bhagavata Maharaja, uma resposta à carta de Sriman Ravindra Svarupa sobre Sua Santidade Srimad Bhakti Vedanta Narayana Maharaja.</span></span></b></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Todas as glórias a Sri Guru e Gauranga. Hare Krsna. Por favor, aceite meus respeitos.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Como um humilde servo de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura e seguindo as ordens de meu Guru Maharaja, om visnupada 108 Sri Srila Bhakti Pramoda Puri Gosvami Maharaja, estou escrevendo esta carta de um ponto de vista completamente neutro, para que ninguém se sinta atacado, ofendido no coração. Eu peço desculpas se isto acontecer.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Eu venho através de sua carta no CHAKRA web site outro dia, e pensei que fosse meu dever protestar contra a propagação de tais erradas concepções da Gaudiya Matha e seus Exaltados Vaisnavas, na linha de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. Eu irei tentar apenas mostrar a você algumas das más entendidas concepções que você propagou no nome de</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">guru-seva </span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">(ou serviço ao seu Srila Prabhupada).</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">1.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Se você não gostaria de convidar Sua Santidade Narayana Maharaja a qualquer centro de sua ISKCON, tudo bem, mas eu acho que se um Vaisnava aparece em minha porta e eu não sentir nem um pouco de felicidade em vê-lo, isto será uma <i>vaisnava-aparadha</i>. H. H. Narayana Maharaja é conhecido por todos como um Vaisnava (o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que você não pode negar), então se você ou qualquer um dos membros de sua organização (que supostamente também é uma organização Vaisnava) não estão felizes em ver um Vaisnava em sua porta, então vocês estão cometendo tal <i>aparadha</i>.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">2.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Você fala sobre as indicações de Srila Narahari Sarakara Thakura no Sri Krsna Bhajanamrta que se um mestre espiritual está em uma boa posição, e ainda não é suficientemente elevado para dar a um discípulo instruções para seu avanço adicional, então o discípulo pode ter permissão de seu <i>diksa-guru</i> e assim obter vantagem com um Vaisnava mais avançado para receber instruções. Então você perguntou “E se o <i>diksa-guru </i>não aprovar?”. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura responde a esta pergunta claramente em seu livro Jaiva Dharma como se segue: “Quando o discípulo escolhe alguém para ser seu guru e não tem oportunidade de verificar se esta pessoa é <i>tattva-jna</i> (aquele que conhece as obras do Vaisnavismo) e os Vaisnavas (no real sentido) </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="tab-stops: list 99.75pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -24pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span>3.<span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">então no tempo de entrar em efeito, ele não pode conseguir nenhum resultado deste tipo de iniciação e deve desistir dela de uma vez”.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Então não há duvida sobre pedir permissão para o dito <i>guru</i> (<i>guru-bruva</i>). Você está consciente do fato de que muitos membros de sua ISKCON não são bem treinados para aceitarem um <i>guru</i> e em muitos casos os escolhem em ignorância. Então, após algum tempo, quando eles entendem que seu <i>guru</i> não está</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">qualificado o suficiente, eles devem desistir deste e procurar por um mais avançado Vaisnava para tomar instruções. Isto não importa se o dito <i>guru</i> está em boa reputação de acordo com suas regras da GBC. Foi visto que por seguir as instruções de sua GBC muitos inocentes devotos têm sido enganados em aceitar uma pessoa que nunca esteve qualificado para aceitar discípulos,</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">como seu <i>guru</i>. O exemplo mais recente e o de Harikesa (Maharaja ou Prabhu) que prova meu ponto claramente. Você não deve tornar os devotos em escravos de sua GBC. Ainda que, de acordo com as escrituras, você deve permitir que eles procurem livremente por um mestre espiritual. Não é uma questão de o discípulo ir a Narayana Maharaja para instruções ou não. Você tem que entender a razão de porque essas pessoas vão até ele. Obviamente eles têm idéia de que o guru presente não tem qualificação suficiente para instruí-los. No momento que um discípulo pensa assim, sua relação com seu guru é automaticamente destruída. De acordo com Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, o discípulo não deve desrespeitar seu guia anterior, mas deve com devido respeito procurar por uma verdadeira iniciação. A iniciação anterior deve ser considerada como <i>abhasa</i> (presença imperceptível) e isto é extremamente necessário para aceitar iniciação (em real significado) para começar o real <i>Bhajana-kriya</i>.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">observou muitos argumentos na tentativa que eles provassem que H.H. Narayana Maharaja não é a um devoto avançado. Uma palavra</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">sábia, por favor, não espalhe essas idéias, peço isso a você porque você deve tomar conta do bem estar de sua própria alma espiritual e ao mesmo tempo ter cuidado para não criticar os devotos avançados. Você também disse que a aproximação a H.H. Narayana Maharaja é significantemente diferente do que o do seu próprio guru, Srila Prabhupada, e que ele não é um <i>siksa-discipulo </i>de seu fundador <i>acarya</i>. Por acaso isto significa que quem difere em detalhes da linha de seu <i>guru</i> não é em Vaisnava avançado? Se isto é verdade, eu gostaria de te perguntar algumas questões, e, por favor, não considere isto como um ataque desde que foi você quem</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">trouxe a tona todas estas velhas</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">questões. Nós não desrespeitamos Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, é você mesmo quem está fazendo isto. Nós só queremos avisar a você para que não cometa nem uma ofensa contra seu próprio <i>guru</i> por se equivocar sobre Seus ensinamentos.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Eu não acho que H.H. Narayana Maharaja esta clamando por ser seu mestre espiritual autorizado. Foi sua própria GBC que escolheu ele para ser seu mestre espiritual autorizado. Anteriormente eles fizeram o mesmo com Srila Bhakti Raksaka Sridhara Maharaja, e parece ridículo que você não entenda que o <i>siksa</i> e <i>diksa-guru</i> devem sempre ser sustentados no mesmo nível, então você não pode rejeitar Srila Swami Maharaja (e a GBC) não podem rejeitar Srila Sridhara Maharaja ou H.H. Narayana Maharaja, devido ao fato de que você mesmo deu a eles essa posição.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Seu Prabhupada ensinou a todos vocês que não se</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">deve aceitar as cegas alguém como mestre espiritual. Minha pergunta é, quando ele ensinou a vocês todas essas coisas</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">você cegamente o aceitou como mestre espiritual? Esta bem claro que no começo da ISKCON nenhum de seus irmãos espirituais foram bem informados da necessidade da qualificação de um fidedigno mestre espiritual. Apenas sem inspiração pura eles tomaram iniciação com Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja e não estavam definitivamente trapaceados por seguirem as instruções de <i>caitya-guru</i>. Mesmo depois de terem diligentemente estudado as escrituras não é suficiente para qualificar alguém de selecionar um fidedigno guru. A inspiração</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que vem do coração é o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que te ajuda. Se a inspiração vem da GBC, então provavelmente não será permanente. O único julgamento que um devoto pode fazer a respeito de seu guru é se ele é <i>mayavadi</i> ou se está ligado ao gozo dos sentidos, se assim for ele estará em um nível idêntico ao do guru, então qual a necessidade de haver a iniciação? Por favor, pare de pensar que está tudo acabado por um minuto. O que foi que levou você a escolher seu Prabhupada como seu guru quando todos vocês eram completamente (e ainda parece que a maioria de vocês é) ignorantes a respeito de <i>guru-tattva</i>?</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Eu tenho a resposta advinda das escrituras. Isto só pode acontecer por inspiração. Sendo misericordioso para a Jaiva, Srima Mahaprabhu inspira os corações dos discípulos na forma de <i>caitya-guru </i>assim como</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">de aceitar iniciação e instruções de um certo Vaisnava <i>acarya</i>. Os membros de sua GBC estão tentando provar que Mahaprabhu os enganou, porque primeiramente eles estavam inspirados a tomar siksa com Srila Sridhara Maharaja e mais tarde o rejeitaram como não autorizado. Então eles aceitaram instruções de H.H. Narayana Maharaja e mais uma vez pararam de vir até ele também. Isto por acaso significa que eles estavam erroneamente inspirados por Mahaprabhu uma vez após a outra para tomar instruções de não fidedigno <i>siksa-guru</i>? Amanhã talvez vocês vão descobrir que foram enganados por Mahaprabhu quando aceitaram Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja como seu <i>diksa-guru</i> e <i>siksa-guru</i>. É esta a razão porque Harikesa deixou seu movimento assim como as instruções de seu Prabhupada e tantas ordens?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Siksa guruke ta jani krsnera svarupa</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Antaryami bhakta-srestha ei dui rupa</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">“Eu conheço o siksa-guru como sendo o Senhor Krsna diretamente. Ele funciona de duas formas, como Antaryami e como o maior dos devotos”.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Alguns dos membros de sua GBC da ISKCON aceitaram H.H. Narayana Maharaja como seu</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">siksa-guru,</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> que deve estar em nível idêntico ao de seu <i>diksa-guru</i>, e agora você esta questionando se ele é um <i>rasika-bhakta </i>e um devoto avançado ou não? Talvez após algum tempo você ira ter as mesma duvidas a respeito de seu <i>diksa-guru</i> também. Nós não iríamos, de qualquer maneira, colocar adiante tal questão se não conhecemos seu guru melhor do que vocês.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Rasika</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> significa um devoto que estabeleceu sua relação com o Senhor Supremo. Toda nossa <i>guru-parampara </i>é composta de almas eternamente liberadas (<i>ragatmika</i>) residentes do transcendental Vraja-dhama. Todos eles são <i>rasika</i> devotos. Um devoto não afortunado que não aceita seu Guru como um <i>rasika</i> devoto, não tem chances em fazer progresso em sua vida espiritual. Nós aceitamos seu Gurudeva assim como H.H. Narayana Maharaja como</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">rasika</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> devotos e como avançados Vaisnavas. Mas você irá aceitar isso? Você argumentou que H.H. Narayana Maharaja agressivamente apontou membros da ISKCON e a congregação. Eu gostaria de saber se isto é devido ao fato de que ele vai aos templos e arrastas as pessoas para fora ou elas vão até ele para ouvir seu <i>hari-katha</i>. Parece que você esta dizendo que a Gaudiya Matha não tem direito de atacar os <i>apasampradayas</i> e <i>mayavadis</i>. Então o que vamos pregar? Não é Narayana Maharaja que revela os corruptos de sua GBC, e outros lideres da ISKCON. Sua GBC rejeitou sete de seus originais gurus. Narayana Maharaja tem alguma coisa a ver com isto? Você deve se sentir envergonhado que estas pessoas (os sete membros da GBC que partiram) mostraram por suas atividades que eles não estavam nem mesmo no nível de <i>kanistha-adhikaris</i>. Se H.H. Narayana Maharaja alguma vez os chamou de <i>kanistha-adhikaris</i>, então ele deve ter falado sobre os melhores</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">de sua presente organização da ISKCON.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Dizer que a presente estrutura da ISKCON é uma organização<i> karma-yoga</i>, é dar a eles o maior respeito. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura escreveu, que além da <i>niskama-karmi, a sakama-karmi</i> não pode se referir com um yogi. Então de acordo com ele um <i>niskama-karmi</i> está executando karma-yoga. É uma vergonha que durante a adoração a Tulasi, e <i>parikrama</i>, vocês cantem <i>“yani kani-ca papani”,</i> quando esta claro que é uma oração para um <i>sakarma-karmi</i> que quer a redução de todos os seus pecados através do serviço devocional. Seus sannyasis e gurus (PELO MENOS A MAIORIA DELES) continuam usando o <i>Nrsimha-kavaca</i> e pequenos pingentes do Senhor Nrsimhadeva em seus pescoços para proteção o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que é claramente <i>sakama-karmi</i>. Pessoas que tem tais tendências não podem continuar entre os <i>karma-yogis</i>. Nós achamos que poucos entre os melhores estão praticando <i>karma-yoga</i>. Nós temos obrigação de ter respeito por eles e talvez H.H. Narayana Maharaja esteja atento com isto, então ele está dando tal grande apreciação pela ISKCON como uma organização de <i>karma-yoga</i> apenas por respeitar estes poucos que estão executando <i>niskama-karmi</i>.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você também lamentou que H.H. Narayana Maharaja reiniciou discípulos de gurus da ISKCON. Mas você acha que é uma reiniciarão ou uma real iniciação? Aqueles discípulos de</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Harikesa que perderam sua fé dois ou três anos atrás, e mais tarde tomaram real iniciação com Narayana Maharaja, não tiveram um inteligente ato de suas partes? Quando eles foram realmente iniciados por Harikesa no real sentido da palavra? Então onde está o problema de uma reiniciarão? Na verdade H.H. Narayana Maharaja, apenas inicia aqueles que são sinceros investigadores da vida espiritual que foram enganados assim como aqueles que estão para ser enganados por sua presente GBC. Então porque você está incomodado? Ele nunca reiniciou ninguém, porque este termo reiniciação em si é ridículo. NÃO SIGNIFICA NADA.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">É verdade que Tamal Krsna Gosvami e Giriraja Maharaja estão acostumados a respeitar H.H. Narayana Maharaja como seu <i>siksa-guru</i>. Eles inclusive realizam <i>guru-puja</i> para ele varias vezes e <i>aratis</i> assim como a Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha. Como é que eles podem abandonar uma pessoa que têm aceitado como <i>siksa-guru </i>sem nenhuma razão aparente? Os dois são gurus iniciadores da ISKCON no momento, mas se eles argumentarem que não foi possível reconhecer-lo antes, isto significa que eles não têm nenhuma realização para entender quais são os principais sintomas de um Vaisnava avançado. Então porque eles estão iniciando tantas pessoas e sua GBC os apóia como gurus autênticos, se eles não têm o poder de distinguir a posição de um Vaisnava, o que é a mínima qualificação para um <i>madhyama-adhikari</i>?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você está incomodado porque H.H. Narayana Maharaja gastou um extraordinário longo tempo na área mais bem sucedida de pregação de Tamal Krsna Gosvami. Por favor, tentem entender a situação. Se hoje Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja viesse em sua antecipada forma de pregação no mundo e os discípulos de Tamal Krsna Maharaja e pedissem a ele que ficasse por um longo tempo em seu lugar e ele concordasse em ficar por aquele tempo pregando, você estaria se perguntando a mesma questão ainda? Para os discípulos de Tamal Krsna Maharaja, H.H. Narayana Maharaja parece ser o guru de seu guru, e é bem natural que eles arranjem um longo tempo para o programa dele. Porque isto o incomoda tanto? Se Tamal Krsna Gosvami quer pregar e gastar um tempo excepcionalmente longo nos mais bem sucedidos centros da Gaudiya Matha ele é bem vindo. É um fato que eu testemunho, muitos gurus da ISKCON e <i>sannyasis</i> visitando a Gaudiya</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Matha encabeçados em Mayapura e onde sempre serão bem vindos e respeitados</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">assim como qualquer outro</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Gaudiya Matha <i>acarya.</i> É muito imaturo que você não esteja pronto para responder de mesma maneira.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Em 1990 você foi persuadido por algumas pessoas que aceitaram</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">siksa</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> de H.H. Narayana Maharaja ao visitá-lo. Onde estão estes <i>siksas</i></span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">discípulos agora? Como eles estão dando <i>siksa</i> para outros? O que eles dirão quando perguntarem a eles de onde eles tomam <i>siksa</i>? Isto é ridículo. De alguma forma você está incomodado porque no primeiro verso do</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Isopanisad</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> a palavra <i>idam</i> foi explicada diferentemente do livro publicado pela ISKCON. Eu fortemente solicito a você que veja os comentários de Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura e Srila Baladeva Vidybhusana do verso. Isto, se não for ofensivo a você ler outros livros que não foram escritos por Srila Prabhupada. Você estava muito chocado porque você é um discípulo de Srila Swami Maharaja (assim como você tem escrito) e em frente de você H.H. Narayana Maharaja disse que tinha um erro neste livro. Se você disser que tem um erro no livro, você está querendo provar que seu Gurudeva é um tolo? Você pode fazer isso, mas nós não, porque nós sabemos quem é seu guru melhor do que você. No comentário do <i>Caitanya-caritamrta</i> está escrito que <i>gunja-mala</i> significa uma guirlanda de pequenos búzios. Você aceita isso? Você coloca uma guirlanda de búzios em Krsna no lugar de uma <i>gunja-mala</i>? Se você diz que tem erros nos livros escritos por seu Gurudeva você esta tentando dizer que ele não sabia o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que uma</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">gunja-mala</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> significa?</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Você pode dizer que sim, mas nós os membros da Gaudiya Matha estamos com muito medo de cometer ofensas aos seus os pés de lótus, sabendo perfeitamente o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que é uma <i>gunja-mala</i>, mas é um erro do livro. Em outros lugares tem vários erros, mas estes erros estão apenas nos livros. Porque você está culpando H.H. Narayana Maharaja por querer proteger o respeito de seu Prabhupada?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você escreveu que seu Prabhupada enfatizou a importância dos livros. Isto pode ser verdade, mas você deve se lembrar que a maioria desses livros vieram a ser editados apenas depois que a ISKCON estava estabelecida. H.H. Narayana Maharaja assim como muitos outros devotos da Gaudiya Matha tiveram associação intima com seu Gurudeva muito antes da ISKCON ser estabelecida. Se você diz que seu Gurudeva se tornou qualificado depois de escrever estes livros então certamente isto é uma <i>aparadha</i>. O Bhagavata, Tulasi, o sagrado rio Ganga e os devotos do Senhor estão adorando desde que nasceram. É ofensiva pensar que Gurudeva é um <i>sadhaka</i> geral, e que ele alcançou a perfeição depois que ele escreveu todos estes livros e estabeleceu a ISKCON, e daí para frente é digno de adoração. Isto é considerado em ser o terceiro <i>nama-aparadha</i> pensar em Sri Gurudeva como um homem mortal. Aqueles que tiveram associação com seu Gurudeva muito antes de muitos dos membros de sua GBC e <i>acaryas</i> terem nascidos,</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">certamente conhecem seu guru melhor do que você.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Um exemplo claro de sua ignorância foi o caso do serviço do funeral de seu Gurudeva. Seu Gurudeva quis que H.H. Narayana Maharaja o colocasse em descanso em seu <i>samadhi</i>. Para você pode ter parecido que seu Prabhupada estava apenas falando do serviço de funeral. Isto é graças apenas a sua ignorância e carente experiência na cultura Védica. É o costume de Gaudiya Vaisnavas assim como a outros Vaisnavas e <i>smarta sampradayas</i> que apenas o sucessor do <i>acarya</i> morto tem o direito de executar os ritos do funeral. Quando o corpo é oferecido ao fogo o filho mais velho do grhastha morto tem a prioridade de tocar o fogo no corpo do parente que está partindo. Quando isto é oferecido com o solo misturado com sal (assim como acontece na maioria dos casos dos Gaudiya e outras <i>sampradayas sannyasis</i>) o sucessor daquele <i>sannyasi </i>tem o direito de escrever o <i>samadhi-mantra </i>no corpo do <i>sannyasi</i> morto. Se o sucessor não é um <i>sannyasi</i> (como no caso de Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura) então o mais antigo sênior irmão espiritual presente pode escrever o mantra assim como outro exaltado Vaisnava. No caso de Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, o <i>samadhi-mantra</i> foi escrito por seu primeiro discípulo</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">sannyasi</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">, Srila Bhakti Pradipa Tirtha Maharaja mesmo ele sendo iniciado por Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Se um sannyasa morre sem deixar um sucessor ou sem ter feito discípulos, então a assembléia de Vaisnavas deve escolher um Vaisnava qualificado para realizar a cerimônia. Mesmos as leis hindus consideravam isto naqueles tempos como disputa pela sucessão da pessoa que realizou os rituais na epoca do funeral, dando a ele a preferência.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Entao você deve cosiderar que entre vários Vaisnavas presentes em Vrindavana na época, incluindo a maioria dos seus irmaos espirituais <i>sannyasis</i>, seu Gurudeva escolheu Narayana Maharaja para colocá-lo em seu <i>samadhi</i>. No</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">vídeo</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">da ISKCON está claramente mostrando que Narayana Maharaja esta escrevendo o <i>samadhi-mantra </i>no corpo morto de seu Gurudeva. Você não pode fazer uma zombaria disto.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Eu tenho certeza de que você está deixando para trás um primoroso caminho por esta execução de <i>Vaisnava-aparadha </i>e neste caso colocando seu Gurudeva em um nível mais baixo. Você esta sempre colocando em diferentes caminhos o controle da situação de sua sociedade e nunca está consultando com os mais avançados e experientes Vaisnavas que podem lhe dar um bom conselho.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você escreveu que seu Prabhupada deu claras e diretas instruções a você, mas pelo o que você tem escrito parece ser o completo oposto. Eu te darei um exemplo para elucidar este ponto. Seu Prabhupada disse que a “Gaudiya Matha faliu”, mas em seus textos você diz “Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada radicalmente reformou a tradição Gaudiya transformando em uma missão de pregação global no mundo moderno”. Agora qual é o nome da missão? O nome é Gaudiya Matha. E quem foram os membros que se dedicaram a esta missão? Você deve aprender em apreciar suas posições, mas infelizmente você esta ocupado publicando livros que fazem falsa propaganda contra estes exaltados devotos.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Se não for contra as regras de sua GBC eu fortemente solicito a você que leia o livro intitulado Saraswati Thakura publicado pela Mandala Media que neste caso tem várias reais informações sobre o sucesso da</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">missão na</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">pregação global, porque de acordo com seus textos a Gaudiya Matha não é um sucesso.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Novamente você tem citado uma conversa que tiveram em um quarto</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">em Bombay (16 de agosto de 1976) quando seu Prabhupada quis sustentar a muita branda fé dos novos iniciados (aqueles que tinham menos de dez anos de iniciação) e você pensa que isto é exatamente o fato.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Antes da morte de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, deu ordens que deveria haver apenas um guru e que o restante</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">trabalharia de forma harmonizada para que fosse possível a pregação da mensagem de Rupa-Raghunatha. Ele também disse que Ananta Vasudeva iria pregar a mensagem de Rupa-Raghunatha e que Kunja-bihari Vidybhusana (mais tarde Srila Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha Maharaja) não iria administrar enquanto ele vivesse e deveria ser respeitado por todos. Alguns anos antes ele escreveu, <i>vasudevananta dasye thakiya ta sada laha nama</i> – sempre fique no serviço de Ananta Vasudeva e cantes os santos nomes.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Em sua presença foi dito que Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura quis que todos os membros da Gaudiya Matha ficassem sobre a guia de Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu e cantassem os santos nomes. Nesta base ele foi selecionado</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">entre os acaryas da Gaudiya Matha e ninguém lutou por seu posto. Seu Gurudeva fazia parte da Matha naquele tempo e ele não fez objeção alguma. Eles não criaram um <i>acarya</i> artificial. Srila Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu era um Brahmacari (em roupas branca, de acordo com a tradição Gaudiya Matha apenas quando um Brahmacari aceita o voto de manter durante toda sua vida o celibato é que o <i>acarya</i> irá dar a ele as roupas acafroadas) naquele tempo, e depois quando seus irmão espirituais viram algumas falhas em seu comportamento eles deixaram sua associação. Srila Audulomi Maharaja foi o selecionado como o seguinte</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">acarya</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> da Missão Gaudiya e Srila Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu aceitou a vida de um Vaisnava grhastha e parou de dar iniciações. Depois do desaparecimento de Srila Audulomi Maharaja, Srila Bhagavata Maharaja foi apontado como o <i>acarya</i> seguinte e quando ele morreu Sripad Parivrajaka Maharaja foi o próximo. Não tem nada errado com isso. </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Se você diz que isso não é prova suficiente de que Srila Prabhupada queria que Srila Ananta Vasudeva fosse o acarya, minha pergunta é “Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura queria apontar Swami Maharaja como seu <i>acarya</i> sucessor?” Se não, ele tentou ser maior que seu guru? Todas essas são suas pergunta, você pode respondê-las? Você pode dizer que Srila Swami Maharaja inspirou muitas pessoas a serem conscientes de Krsna e isto prova que ele é o sucessor de seu guru. Com este mesmo argumento alguém pode dizer que H.H. Narayana Maharaja também esta inspirando muitos de seus irmaõs e irmãs espirituais a seguirem ele, o que prova que ele é a personalidade revelada sucessora de seu Prabhupada. Então por que você esta tão incomodado?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Você tem dito que ira perguntar a seu Gurudeva porque ele não promoveu Narayana Maharaja como seu acarya, mas você ira perguntá-lo porque ele ocupou tais pessoas como Kirtananda, Bhavananda, Bhagavan e outras quatro pessoas como membros da GBC? Você acha que seus irmãos espirituais e irmãs espirituais são cegos por seguirem Narayana Maharaja, ou você preferiria que eles seguissem pessoas como Kirtanananda ou um dos outros seis membros da ISKCON porque eles foram apontados por seu Gurudeva para serem líderes da ISKCON?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Finalmente, você tem atingido diretamente um ponto muito sensível que ultimamente diz a respeito a seu Gurudeva. Você diz que H.H. Narayana Maharaja desviou-se da linha de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. Você acredita que o que ele prega está fora da linha de Srila Prabhupada? Eu peço a você que leia as aulas, e artigos de Srila Prabhupada na revista semanal da Gaudiya. Pode ser dito que a pregação e o sistema deixado por seu Prabhupada veio de diferentes lugares ao invés de apenas da missão de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Eu irei listar um número de aparentes mudanças feitas por seu próprio Gurudeva que são um pouco diferente de Srila Sarasvati Thakura. Eu estou fazendo estes pontos apenas para ilustrar o fato de que embora ele definitivamente mudasse</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">algumas coisas, nós não podemos dizer que ele desviou da linha do Gurudeva dele. Isto seria uma severa e drástica aparadha, e nós não estamos de nenhuma forma tentando diminuir sua exaltada posição. Mas por apontar estas diferenças, poderemos ver que os</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">acaryas</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> podem mudar muitas aplicações do sistema por um motivo de pregação sem se desviar do <i>siddhanta.</i></span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">1.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">O <i>maha-mantra</i> na ISKCON é sempre cantado como um <i>mantra</i> direto. Você não pode cantar metade e depois a outra metade. Isto é claramente vindo das idéias dos babajis e outros grupos que entraram na Gaudiya Mission (linha de Puri Gosvami ou Srila Ananta Vasudeva e Srila Audulomi Maharaja) e seu Gurudeva ensinou a você que seguisse os pés de lótus deles. Se você disser que eles desviaram, por acaso isso significa que seu Gurudeva tirou essas idéias de pessoas desviadas?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">2.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Colocar penas de pavão em Mahaprabhu só pode ser usado nos templos estabelecidos por Srila Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu (Puri Dasa Maharaja) no Radha-Kunda e no proeminente <i>gauranga-nagar-sampradayas</i> ou em uma das 13 pseudo-escolas. Nós podemos ver isso claramente nos templos estabelecidos por Srila Swami Maharaja. Então de onde isto veio?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">3.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura disse claramente que Advaita Acarya Prabhu nunca teve barba e sempre a mantinha limpa e raspada. Mas os <i>bauls</i> (um dos 13 apasampradayas) quiseram o fazer um <i>baul</i> e colocaram uma barba em seu rosto. Nas deidades de Yogapitha ou Srivasa Andam assim como em muitos outros templos da Gaudiya Matha você nunca irá achar barba em Advaita Acarya. Mas nos templo de Mayapura da ISKCON assim como em outros templos (Sem Diego e Hawaii) nos podemos ver Advaita Acarya com barba. Você diria que seu Gurudeva esta seguindo os<i> bauls</i>?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">4.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Um proeminente discípulo de Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura deu o Brahma-gayatri a uma mulher discípula. Srila Prabhupada mais tarde escreveu um artigo na revista semanal da Gaudiya intitulada</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">bhai-sahajiya</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> (irmão sahajiya). Mais recentemente o Santikunja no Haridvara estava pregando que ninguém pode ter Brahma-gayatri iniciação. Posso simplesmente</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">te perguntar de qual linha veio a idéia de seu Gurudeva de iniciar mulheres discípulas em <i>Brahma-gayatri</i>?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">5.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">O cantar do <i>mantra</i> do Panca-tattva no começo de cada volta não vem de Srila Prabhupada, ele ensinou a vocês de um jeito diferente. De onde seu Prabhupada tirou isto? </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">6.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja Sarasvati Thakura aceitou que o limite de Mayapura é um pequeno canal chamado</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">gougre</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> (logo antes de aproximar de Yogapitha templo da ISKCON</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">lá dentro você ira achar um canal cruzando o caminho, ou estrada e esta é o limite de Mayapura de acordo com Srila Prabhupada em seu comentário no Caitanya Bhagavata). Muito tempo após seu desaparecimento ele revelou no coração de Srila B.D. Madhava Maharaja que perto da confluência dos</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">rios Ganga e Sarasvati,</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Ishodhyana está situado no qual é parte do Antardvipa, Sridhama Mayapura. O presente Ishodhyana foi revelado por Srila B.D. Madhava Maharaja no qual foi também sustentado por Srila B.R. Sridhara Maharaja e seu Gurudeva estabeleceu seus mais capacitados da ISKCON naquela parte de Mayapura, no qual foi aceito por seu Gurudeva, mas foi revelado por seu irmão espiritual. Por que ele não podia levar Srila Prabhupada a sério?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">7.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Prabhupada Sarasvati Thakura ensinou-nos como adorar as deidades nos templos. Nos templos da Gaudiya Matha suas ordens foram seguidas. Eles oferecem b<i>oa</i> cinco vezes ao dia e <i>aratis</i> três vezes por dia pontualmente. Mas nos templos da ISKCON nós achamos sistemas diferentes no qual é mais parecido com o sistema da casta <i>gosvamis</i> e outros templos em Vrindavana que seguem adoração de acordo com o oitavo <i>yama</i>, passatempo do Senhor. Nós gostamos do sistema e também apreciamos, mas nossa questão é – de onde seu Gurudeva aprendeu estes tipos de adoração? Ele tomou <i>siksa</i> da casta dos <i>gosvamis</i>?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">8.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">kirtanam com harmonium foi proibido por Srila Prabhupada. Apenas no templo de Srila B.H. Bom Maharaja isto foi visto antes. Nos não estamos o criticando porque sabemos que ele é um Vaisnava exaltado. Ele era qualificado <i>acarya</i> e tem o direito de introduzir qualquer instrumento musical em seus templos. Seu Prabhupada também introduziu em seus templos na ISKCON. Ele aprendeu isto de Srila Bhakti Hrdaya Bom Maharaja?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">9.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura instruiu-nos a adorar Sri Sri Guru e Gauranga-Gandharvika-Giridhari. Em todos os templos estabelecidos por ele nos achamos Sriman Mahaprabhu e Sri Sri Radha-Krsna. O <i>mangala-arati</i> e os outros <i>aratis</i> musicas especialmente escritas por Srila Bhaktivinodha Thakura e Srila Prabhupada seguiu seus passos. Em seus templos da ISKON tem diferentes combinações de deidades e diferentes tipos de músicas são recomendadas para o <i>mangala-arati</i> no qual não e considerada musicas <i>mangala.</i> Você acha que isso é um desvio ou não?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">10.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Prabhupada ordenou seus discípulos a imprimirem e distribuírem seus livros dos <i>acaryas</i> anteriores e especialmente aqueles de Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Ele não disse para cada um escrever vários livros por que ele achou desnecessário, onde você claramente expressa, ou determina que seu Gurudeva instruiu a vocês que imprimissem e publicassem e lessem apenas seus livros. Por acaso isso significa que ele pensou que os livros de Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura são menos valiosos do que os deles?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">11.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Srila Prabhupada ou seus discípulos nunca recomendaram um devoto novo a cantar <i>harinama</i> na mala sem serem iniciados propriamente por um guru. De acordo com comentário de Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, no Srimad-Bhagavatam, Sexto Canto (o caso de Ajamila) isto apenas produzira grandes</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">ofensas (<i>gurvava jna</i>). Seu Prabhupada começou isto na ISKCON. De onde veio esta idéia?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="tab-stops: list 150.75pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -75pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span>12.<span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Você se queixou de que H.H. Narayana Maharaja aceitou serviço de jovens damas (<i>kumaris</i>). Para sua informação eu quero dizer que em sua missão Srila Prabhupada proibiu estritamente que mulheres servissem mesmo a cozinha onde <i>sannyasis</i>, <i>Brahmacaris</i> e <i>vanaprasthas </i>estivessem morando. Ele nunca deixou que nenhuma mulher (com a exceção de duas idosas mulheres discípulas de Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura que às vezes cozinhavam apenas para Srila Prabhupada) servisse os residentes da <i>matha</i> de nenhuma forma, além disso, ele estava em uma elevada posição de consciência que não haveria chance de ele ser afetado por desejos sensuais. H.H. Narayana Maharaja também está com esta idade e se ele está seguindo os passos de seu Prabhupada porque isto o incomoda tanto? Esta européia, quem você diz que é sua fonte de confiante informação, achou o fato um tabu cheio de erotismo apenas por uma lógica – <i>kamula pasyanti kamini mayam </i>jagat – uma pessoa luxuriosa vê todo o mundo cheio de luxuria. Por acusar falsamente H.H. Narayana Maharaja você esta acusando seu próprio Gurudeva.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="tab-stops: list 150.75pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -75pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span><span style="font-size: small;">13.</span><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="background: yellow; font-size: 13.5pt;">Estes</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> são alguns dos exemplos em como seu Prabhupada difere em ensinamentos e praticas de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. Seu Mayapura-dharma, seus processos em adoração as deidades, seu nama-sankirtana, seus livros publicados, sua conduta pessoal, suas instalações das deidades, seu processo de iniciação de discípulos – tudo difere de seu Gurudeva. Nós não podemos saber a causa de como isso aconteceu, mas você quer dizer que ele não é um fidedigno siksa ou diksa discípulo de seu Gurudeva ou não é de uma linha direta a ele? Entao com você pode negar H.H. Narayana Maharaja reivindicação de ser o sucessor de seu Prabhupada, apenas porque seus ensinamentos diferem do dele?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Você diz que Narayana Maharaja não tem atração pelo Gita, mas por acaso você viu a bonita edição do Bhagavad-Gita com traduções em Híndi e comentários por Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, assim como outros perfeitos comentários por H.H. Narayana Maharaja publicado? Se ele não tem gosto pelo Gita então porque ele se importou em dar tão bela apresentação e comentários?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> No</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">lançamento do Baghbazaar Gaudiya Matha, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura expressou seu desejo de publicar o autentico comentário dos mais altos tópicos do Srimad-Bhagavatam assim com o Gopi-Gita e Bhramara-Gita. Ele disse “Ainda hoje nós estamos dizendo isto não é assim. Agora nós devemos falar isto é assim, nós não devemos ler os comentários do Gopi-Gita e Bhramara-Gita escritos pelos</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">prakrta-sahajiyas,</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> mas nós devemos publicar autenticas edições do Gopi-Gita e Bhramara-Gita do Srimad-Bhagavatam porque nós precisamos executar real <i>krsnanusilanam</i>” Isto foi impresso na semanal Gaudiya. H.H. Narayana Maharaja está agora tentando realizar este desejo de Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada, então como você pode dizer que Narayana Maharaja se tornou um instrumento de ataque contra a missão de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura? Nosso Gurudeva om visnupada 108 Sri Srimad Bhakti Pramoda Puri Gosvami Maharaja o considera como sendo a melhor arma que resiste a falsas opiniões de ditos <i>babajis</i> do Radha-Kunda, e um fato que prova isto é que quando ele vai ao Radha-Kunda, ele abertamente os desafia a virem até ele para debaterem com ele caso eles não aceitam a missão de Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati como fidedigna. Ninguém ousa chegar perto dele. Você acha que algum</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">guru</span></i><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">de sua ISKCON pode fazer isto?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Você disse que Narayana Maharaja disseminou que a distribuição de livros é uma atividade inferior. Mas o</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">que quer que você tenha aprendido de seu Prabhupada também sustenta isso. Primeiramente você tem dito que seu Prabhupada disse “Distribuição de livros esta no humor das Gopis”. Novamente você tem afirmado sobre seus objetivos finais, “Nós devemos transcender e atravessar a invisível Maya e chegar ao refulgente reinado de Deus para rendermos a Ele cara a cara serviço eterno, em total bem aventurança e conhecimento”. Você não quer distribuir livros no ultimo estagio consecutivo, mas deseja outro tipo de cara a cara serviço a Deus. Isto significa que suas principais pretensões não são as mesmas? Mas nossa guru-varga e nosso Gurudeva também pensou que o significado e o objetivo são os mesmos. Você mesmo tem concordado que a distribuição de livros não é o ultimo objetivo ou <i>bhakti</i> eterna. Entao isto pode ser chamado de <i>bhaktyanhasa</i> ou <i>bhaktyaropa,</i> mas nunca de real <i>bhakti</i>, porque é <i>seva</i> temporária e não é como</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">sravanam</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> e <i>kirtanam</i> que são eternos. Se você esta fazendo isto você pode acusar Srila Gaurakisora Dasa Babaji Maharaja assim como Srila Jagannatha Dasa Babaji Maharaja porque eles nunca foram às ruas para vender livros isto porque eles estavam no humor das gopis. Tais ofensas irão proferir ruína em sua vida espiritual assim como já tem acontecido com muitos de seus irmãos espirituais.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Um <i>acarya</i> pode instruir seus discípulos de acordo com o tempo em particular, lugar e circunstância onde em outra</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">circunstancia ele pode dar diferentes instruções. Ele tem o direito de aceitar direções necessárias das escrituras e pregar por sua conduta pessoal. A definição de um <i>acarya</i> é como se segue:</span></span></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Acinoti yah sastrartham acare sthapayatyapi</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Svayamacarate tasmat acaryah tena kirtitah</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">“Uma pessoa que escolhe as conclusões das</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">autorizada escrituras de acordo com um tempo</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">particular, lugar e circunstancia e pratica o que ele prega a outros e chamado <i>acarya</i>”.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Às vezes para o discípulo as palavras de seu Guru diferem daqueles ou de outros santos e das escrituras autenticas. Em casos assim ele não deve ofensivamente pensar que o <i>guru</i> ou <i>sastra</i> ou santos estão errados. De preferência ele deve lembrar-se da famosa música de Srila Narottama Dasa Thakura Mahasaya</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Sadhu sastra-guru-vakya hrdaye kariya aikya</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Satata bhavisa prema majhe</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Karmi jnani bhaktihina ihare karibe bhina</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Narottama ei tattva gaje</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">“Narottama canta o <i>tattva</i> que devem-se harmonizar as direções dos <i>sadhus</i>, <i>sastras</i> e <i>guru</i> em seus corações e sempre flutuar no oceano de prema. Os <i>karmis</i> e<i> jnanis</i> são isentos de <i>bhakti</i>, então você deve se manter separados deles”.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Srila Narottama Dasa Thakura Mahasaya nos aconselha a harmonizar as palavras do <i>sadhu</i>, <i>sastra</i> e<i> guru</i>. Se as palavras do <i>sadhu</i> parecem ser diferentes das dos <i>sastras</i> e do <i>guru</i> então não ofensivamente nós devemos pensar que o <i>sadhu</i> está errado, mas devemos considerar nós mesmos somos desprovidos de entendimento</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">das palavras do <i>sadhu</i> e seguir <i>guru-vakya</i>. Se o <i>guru</i> difere do <i>sadhu</i> e do <i>sastra</i> então ao invés de pensar que o <i>guru</i> está errado nós devemos considerar ele mesmo desprovido de entender os reais propósitos de guru-vakya e em neste caso ele deve seguir sadhu-vakya. Os <i>sastras</i> nunca estão errados. O</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">guru</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> e o <i>sadhu</i> nos guiam a seguir as direções necessárias dos sastras, de outra forma:</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><br />
</div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Ye sastra vidhim utsrijya vartate kamacarata</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Na as siddhim avapnoti na sukham na para gatim</span></span></i></div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Parece que você esta confuso com as instruções de seu <i>guru </i>e não consegue harmonizá-las em seu coração. Eu humildemente sugiro que você escola algum <i>sadhu</i> realizado para clarear suas duvidas ao invés de ofender a H.H. Narayana Maharaja. Se você não gosta de ir até ele está bem, mas você não tem o direito de parar aqueles que querem ir receber instruções</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">e serem iniciados com ele. Você tem requisitado a seus irmãos espirituais e irmãs a seguirem</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">os passos de Satvarupa Maharaja e muitos o fizeram, mas como eles podem acreditar em você? Previamente seu GBC solicitou a eles que seguissem os passos deles e muitos</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">o fizeram. Agora sete dos onze guias nem existem ou estão em devida situação de acordo com suas regras da GBC. Quem sabe talvez depois de alguns anos você irá passar o mesmo julgamento de Satsvarupa Maharaja, por H.H. Narayana Maharaja pode não estar fisicamente mais presente e estes devotos estarão para sempre privados de sua direta associação. Qual tolo irá querer depender de suas palavras? Você confia em você mesmo?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> Do seu Gurudeva você tem dito “Um devoto puro pode distinguir entre <i>bhakti-lata </i>e um mundano, e esta muito alerta em destingi-los e mantê-los afastados”. </span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Você</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">também disse que você tem distinguido joio evidente na pessoa de H.H. Narayana Maharaja. É simplesmente estranha a audácia em que você está se dizendo um devoto puro e assim negando outros exaltados devotos que recomendam Narayana Maharaja com um <i>sad-guru</i> e <i>rasika</i> devoto. Nosso Guru Maharaja disse abertamente que Narayana Maharaja é um <i>sad-guru</i> e <i>rasika-bhakta</i>. Embora eu não seja <i>siksa</i> ou <i>diksa</i> discípulo de H.H. Narayana Maharaja, ainda assim eu não me atrevo a parar alguém de ter instruções dele ou iniciação. Bem ao contrario se alguém quer ir até ele eu sou o primeiro a encorajá-lo.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> É completamente absurdo e ultrajante que a maioria dos membros da GBC de sua ISKCON vieram para consciência de Krsna há menos de trinta anos atrás, e muitos deles já estão sem praticas devocionais, e estão alegando vocês mesmos como preceptores fidedignos e detentores de ervas daninhas (<i>upasakhas</i>) na pessoa de um devoto que vem praticando consciência de Krsna por mais de cinqüenta anos sem hesitar nem uma vez, muitos anos antes de muitos de sua GBC nascerem. Nosso mais respeitado Guru Maharaja tem praticado consciência de Krsna continuamente quase que desde seu nasciemento e com 100 anos de experiência em tal assunto não é qualificado para guiar outros recomendando uma pessoa como Vaisnava elevado? Por outro lado sua GBC que nunca ouviu <i>krsna-nama</i> antes de 1966 e no qual o futuro é incerto é qualificado a fazer isto?</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> De fato você esta assustado com a pregação da Gaudiya Matha, especialmente aqueles que nasceram em Bharatabhumi (Índia). A Gaudiya Matha nunca se queixou</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">dos gurus da ISKCON levarem a outro lugar seus discípulos. Se forem apenas seus membros da GBC que estão perturbados, então me parece que você está querendo monopolizar tudo simplesmente por usar o nome de Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. Na índia algumas pessoas (invertidas classes) tem reservado o lugar na educação e</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">serviço no governo porque eles não têm chance em uma competição como a mais inteligente classe de pessoas, então o governo da Índia reserva alguns lugares para que então eles possam ter uma oportunidade.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Meu humilde pedido a você é que você, por favor, desista de tal inútil esforço de atuar nos direitos de iniciar inocentes devotos. Preferindo deixar</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">nos tentar seguir a ultima instrução de Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura “todos vocês preguem de forma harmônica os ensinamentos de Rupa e Ragunatha com grande entusiasmo”.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> Eu escrevo esta carta de um ponto de vista neutro, porque Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura instruiu a nós a não desanimarmos mesmo se uma única pessoa não esteja preparada para ouvir a verdade abertamente. Como um humilde servo de seu servo, eu acho que é meu dever assim como me foi pedido por meu Guru Maharaja protestar contra concepções errôneas. Se alguém</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">foi ofendido dentro de seu coração ou sentiu qualquer tipo de ansiedade por ler esta, eu oro por seu perdão e espero que um dia ele chegue a realizar todos estes pontos.</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Sri Guru-Vaisnava <i>dasanudasa</i>,</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Bhakti Vidagdha Bhagavata</span></span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><br />
</div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">P.S. Aquele que estiver interessado em discutir ou perguntar mais sobre este assunto está convidado a nos contatar por nosso e-mail que é como se segue: </span></span><a href="mailto:haribol@sol.racsa.co.cr"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">haribol@sol.racsa.co.cr</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;"> </span></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal"><br />
</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-46885150210218030152011-09-23T20:37:00.000-07:002011-09-23T20:37:30.386-07:00You will not become pure devotees" - S.P. To His Desciples in ISKCONTrivikrama Maharaja (SP desciple & ISKCON guru) reveals this truth: <br />
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* Śrila Prabhupada sometimes confirmed by his statement to his disciples: "You will not become pure devotees in this lifetime., not even your children because of your association".* <br />
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Who has Srila Prabhupada ment? GBC, GBC leaders, all his desciples or all in ISKCON?<br />
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Anyway according to this words does it mean: no GBC leader, or ISKCON guru is a pure devotee?<br />
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Trivikram Maharaja (uczeń SP i ISKCON guru) wyjawia prawdę:<br />
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* Srila Prabhupada czasami powtarzał swoim uczniom: "Nie staniecie się w tym życiu czystymi wielbicielami, ani nawet wasze dzieci z powodu waszego towarzystwa..." *<br />
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Tak czy inaczej kogo Śrila Prabhupada miał na myśli? ISKCON-owych guru, liderów GBC, wszystkich swoich uczniów, czy wszystkich w ISKCON-ie?<br />
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</div>His Divine Grace<br />
Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada<br />
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And History<br />
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Nama om visnu-padaya krsna-presthaya bhutale<br />
Srimate bhaktivedanta-svamin iti namine<br />
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I offer pranama unto om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Svami, who is very dear to Krsna, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.<br />
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Namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine<br />
Nirvisesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine<br />
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Our respectful obeisances unto you, O servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message of Gaurasundara and delivering the Western countries which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.<br />
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Biography by Srila BV Narayan Maharaja<br />
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Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja took birth in a religious family in Calcutta on Nandotsava, 1896. His childhood name was Abhay Carana De. His parents were Vaishnavas, and from childhood he was brought tip in a devotional atmosphere and was taught the virtuous conduct of a Vaishnava.<br />
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As a child, he would celebrate Janmastami, Jhulanyatra and Rathayatra very enthusiastically along with his friends and companions. When sadhus and sannyasis called at the house, his parents prayed for their blessings so that their child would receive the mercy of Srimati Radharani.<br />
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Abhay was at first educated at home, and did not attend school until his eighth year. Thereafter he was educated in English and Bengali medium schools. He completed his studies at the Scottish Church College in Calcutta and took his BA. examination in 1920. After taking his exam he joined Mahatma Gandhi's movement. He married in 1918, during his BA. studies. In 1921, Svargiya Kartikcandra Bose (who was Managing Director of Bengal Chemical, the owner of Dr. Bose's Laboratory and a close friend of Abhays father) appointed the qualified Abhay Carana as his Assistant Manager.<br />
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In 1922, a close friend took Abhaya to meet Om Visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada in Calcutta's Ulta Danga district. Abhay was very impressed by Srila Prabhupada's powerful hari-katha and influential instructions. Seeing Abhay's special qualification in English, Srila Prabhupada made him enthusiastic to write essays in that language and to preach in foreign countries.<br />
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From then on, the young Abhay Carana often came to the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada to hear hari-katha. in Prayag, 1932, Jagadguru Srila Prabhupada mercifully gave Abhay Carana both diksa-mantra and upanayana (sacred thread), according to Gopal Bhatta Gosvami's paddhati. After diksa his name became Sri Abhaya Caranaravinda Dasadhikari. Thereafter, he started regularly writing essays and articles for the English magazine "The Harmonist" which Srila Prabhupada had established.<br />
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After Srila Prabhupada entered aprakata-Iila, Sri Abhaya Caranaravinda's association with our most worshipful Gurupadapadma Sri Srimad Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharajaji increased. Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu was a bosom friend of my Gurudeva when they met in the association of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's Gaudiya Matha since 1922.<br />
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When my Gurudeva lived with him for those months in Allahabad, Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu organized so much preaching for them everywhere in that city. He had cultivated numerous associates from his pharmaceutical business and knew many educated, qualified people. He also arranged for my Gurudeva to give extensive lectures on Vedanta. Together they defeated mayavadis and also several influential Catholics and Christians. Those opponents were favorably impressed by the bona fide arguments and siddhanta they presented.<br />
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"Wherever there is any sign of mayavadism, bhakti cannot be preached in full force. So we have to remove mayavada from the root.", my Gurudeva would always state. Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu also liked this idea very much. "We must kick out mayavada," he would always say. Both of them had this understanding; they were very united in their preaching. My Gurudeva gave the name 'Bhaktivedanta' to those of us who took sannyasa from him, and when they formed an organization, they called the samiti 'Gaudiya Vedanta', which denoted that Vedanta is synonymous with bhakti.<br />
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In 1940, after the departure of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada, there was turmoil in the Gaudiya Matha. One party wanted to arrest some of the senior Vaisnavas and cases were filed in the Calcutta court. At that time our Gurudeva, then known as Vinodabihari Brahmacari, was akincana (without material possessions) and he travelled to Prayaga, Allahabad. There he stayed at the Rupa Gaudiya Matha for a few days.<br />
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Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu, who had his family residence and business in Allahabad, invited our Gurudeva to come and stay in his home with him as a guest. So they lived together there for the next four or five months. During this extended time they became very near and dear to each other. They always discussed Bhagavad-gita and so many other subjects concerning guru-seva for their Srila Prabhupada and his mission.<br />
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After the disappearance of their Srila Prabhupada and after the Gaudiya Matha institution had broken apart, my Gurudeva together with Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu and Nrsimhananda Brahmacari (later Srila Bhaktikamala Madhusudana Maharaja) filed the establishment papers for the Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti. This was done on April 7th, 1940, the day of aksaya tritiya in a rented house at 33/2 Bosapada Lane, Calcutta.<br />
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In 1955 Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu came to the Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha in Mathura. We embraced him and he embraced us. Before coming he had been successful with his pharmaceutical business in Allahabad, Prayaga Pharmacy, which was very famous. Many important personalities including the Prime Minister of India were customers in his shop. Later on, however, he had to sell it. Then he travelled to all the important cities of North India, Delhi, Kanpur, Lucknow, Agra, Jhansi, Mathura and other towns to sell some medicines he had made from his own formulas. Kunja Bihari Prabhu, a senior disciple in the matha, was especially devoted to him during this time. He helped to carry his bags and also to bring him prasadam while he worked.<br />
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After a while this job also finished and Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu gave up his household life and all its possessions in Calcutta. He again came to Mathura, this time without belongings. He brought a medical formula for treating ringworm which he distributed to the shopkeepers, store-to-store; but sales were not good. He was living in a room he had rented by the Yamuna, in Hooli Wali Gully near Bengali Ghat. He had been there three or four days when I went to see him. Straight away I (Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) said, "Prabhu, why are you staying here"<br />
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He was very humble and didn't want to impose upon us so I forcibly took his luggage. I told him, " I will not let you go anywhere else. We are here. We are your sons. You are our Gurudeva's Godbrother and are very dear to us. We want to care for you. I will not allow you to stay here separate from us." So I brought the brahmacaris, Kunja Bihari Prabhu, Sesasayi Prabhu, and some others and we forcibly took what few utensils he had and we brought him to live in our matha.<br />
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While he was living there, Sri Abhaya Caranavinda Prabhu started to translate Srimad Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam into English. Day and night he would stay in his room and do this. He also chanted harinama so much and sang bhajans very beautifully. We did not know when he ever took rest. He slept only a short time in the morning , because all during the night he was awake, and throughout the day also.<br />
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During this time, Srila Gurudeva appointed Abhaya Caranaravinda director of his Sri Gaudiya Patrika (Bengali monthly) and Sri Bhagavat-patrika (Hindi monthly). Abhaya Caranaravinda regularly wrote articles for both these magazines. Earlier he had written articles for the Harmonist, and now he continued to write many wonderful essays, Gita purports, etc. Sri Abhaya Caranaravinda Prabhu himself established an English magazine, Back to Godhead.<br />
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He wrote so marvelously that everyone praised him. He challenged all who were opposed to pure bhakti at that time, especially the 'Murgi Mission'. He called the Ramakrsna Mission 'the Murgi Mission' because the members ate chicken. In fact, they took flesh, eggs and many abominable things. Vivekananda and his Ramakrsna Mission were very prominent in those days. They were renowned by the public who said, "Oh, these are such high-class devotees. In all of India only they are following the Vedas, and all others are not. The Gaudiya Mission and others are not Vedantic."<br />
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Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu wrote this one particular two-part article about the murgis. He began with the first part, and when the second part was also printed all were astonished and convinced. It was like a drama. Everyone requested him to write more articles like these which called for the reform of religious institutions and samskaras.<br />
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We always requested Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu to give Srimad Bhagavatam classes. Usually there was not a big audience because only a few of us lived in the matha then. We were just beginning the Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha temple, so we had just five or ten persons. But very high-class, learned gentlemen from Mathura would often come to hear him speak.<br />
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Often we would visit each others' rooms. We had many philosophical discussions together, speaking about Prahlada-caritra and Tenth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam. We read many of those books together. He would deeply discuss the matters he wrote about in the Gaudiya-patrika. Swamiji and I had many intimate talks together about Krishna consciousness, the Gaudiya Matha and other confidential topics which I cannot disclose to others.<br />
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Sometimes he would have talks with one, two, three, or five disciples of my Gurudeva in my room. There were also some big officers and other important gentlemen who came to hear him speak. They would say, "Oh, Abhay Caran Babu is such a learned advanced person." Everybody would glorify him.<br />
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Prabhu was very fond of cooking delicious food; very delicious. He wanted to prepare it, he wanted me to prepare it also and then feed all of the Vaisnavas. By his request, he and I would cook and offer so many preparations. Occasionally when he received funds he would even offer fresh mangos to the Deities. Then he would distribute that opulent prasada to all of the brahmacaris.<br />
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He always used pure ghee to cook for Krishna. No matter how few rupees he had at any time, he would have a special jar of ghee for cooking; he never used oil. Also he cooked with one or two green chilis and ginger instead of red chilis. A favorite preparation of his was ginger morabba (crushed ginger root cooked with ghee and sugar or gur). Prabhu was so enthusiastic about that cooking and he often declared that all Gaudiya Vaisnavas should be expert in cooking for Krishna.<br />
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During the many months he stayed at the Kesavaji Matha, the two of us would perform sundara-arati together each evening. He would always play the mrdanga so expertly and I would play the kartalas and sing. He liked my singing very much and always requested me to lead the kirtanas. Someone asked me, "Why didn't Swamiji also sing? He had a beautiful voice as well." I replied, "Yes, surely he did, but there were times he didn't sing because he was having so much devotional feeling and was weeping."<br />
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In 1959, we would talk together and he would say, "When I first met Srila Prabhupada and when he gave me initiation, he told me that I should preach in the Western countries in the English language. He told me this twenty years ago in Calcutta." Guru Maharaja and Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu were bosom friends and they had lived and served together. Both were intellectual giants, very erudite persons from high-class families. In Calcutta, Srila Sridhara Maharaja also had recommended that he approach our Gurudeva. So I encouraged him to accept sannyasa now from our Gurudeva and then go to preach in the Western countries. "We will try to help you", I said to him.<br />
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At this time, therefore, I requested my Gurudeva to apply some pressure so that he would take sannyasa. Guruji called him and said, "Narayana Maharaja and all the other boys are encouraging that you take sannyasa. I also support this idea. Do not hesitate to take the renounced order. You are so qualified. You please take sannyasa now. It will be very beneficial."<br />
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Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu thus agreed to accept sannyasa and the ceremony was held the very next day. That day was the auspicious Visvarupa-mahotsava. Prabhu asked, "How should I prepare?" I told him, "Don't worry, I will arrange everything." So I prepared bahira-vesa (sannyasa dhoti), uttariya (outer cloth) and a danda with my own hands. I taught him how to wear all these things and then I performed the fire yajna.<br />
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Akincana Krishnadas Babaji Maharaja came, and Sesasayi Brahmacari, Kunja-bihari Brahmacari, Parijataka Maharaja and many other persons were there. Now most of these devotees have departed. Sanatana Prabhu took sannyasa with Swamiji and he became Bhaktivedanta Muni Maharaja. He was ninety years old and had said to Swamiji, "If you agree to take sannyasa, then so shall I." He also is no longer here, having joined the eternal service of Krishna.<br />
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I recited the yajna-mantras and performed the ceremony. Akincana Krishnadas Babaji Maharaja, Prabhu's intimate Godbrother and friend, chanted Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare/Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare. He chanted continuously from 8:00 AM until 3:00 PM in a most sweet and deep manner. Swamiji requested that only Krishna-nama be sung, the kirtana of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. My Gurudeva then gave him the sannyasa-mantra.<br />
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The sannyasa name which Srila Bhaktiprajnana Kesava Maharaja gave to Abhay Caranaravinda Prabhu is 'Swami'. It is one of the bona fide sannyasa names and means 'controller' and 'master'. The title 'Bhaktivedanta' had already been awarded in Calcutta by some of his Godbrothers, and 'Maharaja' is a formal ending for those in the renounced order. This name 'Swami' is just fitting because Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja became the controller of many, many jivas' hearts due to his being so strong and faithful to his Gurudeva. This is why we affectionately call him 'Swamiji', not at all in a common way, but showing the greatest respect.<br />
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After accepting sannyasa, he lived at Sri Radha-Damodara Mandira in Sridhama Vrindavan, and also in Delhi. During that time he published translations of the First Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam in three parts with English purports. We would often associate together there - in his little bhajan kutir. Sometimes we took prasadam with the Radha-Damodara Gosvamis. We also performed Radha-Damodara parikrama, walking together and paying respects at the samadhis of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Srila Jiva Gosvami, Srila Krishnadas Kaviraja Gosvami, and especially Srila Rupa Gosvami.<br />
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Srila Swami Maharaja spent considerable time in Delhi before he went to America. This is where he was printing and distributing his books. He had published three volumes of Srimad-Bhagavatam. Several times I went there to be with him and we stayed together in his rooms at the Chippiwada Radha-Krishna Temple. He preached vigorously in Delhi. Wherever he went he preached to the public. To everyone he met he spoke about Radha-Krishna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. He also engaged me along beside him.<br />
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One day he announced to me, "Now the time has come and I am going." He was leaving for the Port of Calcutta and was to visit Mayapur also. I came and said good-bye and I took his footdust and put it on my head. Before he left he requested me to keep a regular correspondence with him, which we did. In 1965, he went to the United States of America to preach Sriman Mahaprabhu's message, and in July 1966 he established the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON).<br />
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In 1967 during his first trip back to India he came to visit my Gurudeva, his sannyasa guru, Srila Bhaktiprajana Kesava Goswami. At that time my Gurudeva was in weak health and was confined to his bed in Calcutta. They had a confidential visit then. It was their last time together in this world. My Gurudeva was overjoyed at Swami Maharaja's devotional service to their Srila Prabhupada. He expressed his appreciation and glorification of Swamiji's preaching so much and pledged to cooperate in the preaching work.<br />
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After our Gurudeva Srila Bhaktiprajnana Kesava Maharaja departed from this world in 1968, Srila Swami Maharaja along with his disciples sent us a telegram of condolence. He also sent a long letter to Trivikrama Maharaja in Navadvipa. In Seattle, Washington he delivered a lecture about our Gurudeva. There he described the history of his awarding him sannyasa. He wrote about how much appreciation, affection and glorification he had for him, and how he had now entered Krishna's abode. We heard later from some of his disciples that he shed tears when he received the telegram telling of our Gurudeva's entering into nitya-lila.<br />
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In a short time the branches of ISKCON were established in many countries around the world. He wrote more than fifty books on Krishna-bhakti, which are translated into many languages of the world. Thus, to this maha-purusa goes the majority of the credit for spreading Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's suddha-bhakti and nama-sankirtana throughout the whole world.<br />
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Srila Swami Maharaja was becoming very ill. Our Sukananda Prabhu was offering him naturopathic massages with Gangajala. These helped him, before he last went abroad to England. Sukananda Prabhu came to Vrindavana for two hours every morning and evening for fourteen days to massage him. We also sometimes visited and spoke with Swamiji then.<br />
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Just before Kartika month in early October when our annual Vraja Mandal parikrama was about to begin, Srila Swami Maharaja sent for me. He requested his senior sannyasis and many others, "I want to meet with Narayana Maharaja." They came by car and requested me, "Srila Prabhupada wants you, so please come now." We were just giving evening discourse for our parikrama party, but I came immediately.<br />
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When I arrived in his room at Krishna-Balarama Mandira, he was quite silent. Some boys were singing the Hare Krishna maha-mantra and some sannyasis and other disciples were silent. After some time he opened his eyes and indicated with his eyes for me to come close. He wanted me to take a seat on his bed. He tried to sit up but I put my hands on him and said, "Please lie down and I will sit over here." He then motioned for me to come nearer to his bed and said, "I want to speak to you." He wanted me to sit closer to his ear so he told some disciples, "Bring a chair" and I sat on it near to his ear.<br />
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First he began to weep. His heart was melted. From the core of his heart he told me, "Narayana Maharaja, can you excuse me? I feel that there is cause. For the sake of preaching I have told my disciples some things which perhaps I should not have said. Also I spoke so strongly about my Godbrothers in one letter which was then revealed to everyone. I said that we are preaching and others are not, that they are kanistha-adhikaris who don't preach but are idle. I said that all the Gaudiya Vaisnavas did not help me and they only take mahaprasadam and sleep." Swamiji had once written one letter to me saying, "I am preaching all over the world, but they are not doing this nor are they cooperating with me."<br />
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At this time many of his sannyasi disciples were watching. His words and mood implied to me many things about how he had wanted to encourage his young students. As we are careful with babies, so he instructed them not to mix with his Godbrothers and the other Gaudiya Vaisnavas. To save his newcomers from becoming disturbed or confused, he sometimes told them not to visit anywhere else because a few of his Godbrothers had done some wrong things.<br />
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Swamiji continued, "Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada ordered all of us to preach in Europe and America. That was his strong desire. His other desire was that we all work together to preach. I didn't waste a single moment. I tried my best, and to some extent it has been successful." His voice was choked with emotion. "If we can work conjointly then, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu declared, this sankirtana movement has great possibilities." Then he told me, "I want you to help take care of my disciples. I want them to be good and qualified devotees. If they come to you, please care for them."<br />
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After this Swamiji told me, "I pray to you that you will put me into my samadhi with your own hand. I don't want to take samadhi from anyone else's hands. I think you are the proper person. After my samadhi arrange to celebrate my mahotsava separation festival. You should give some amount of money to all the seven temples in Vrindavana and to all the Gaudiya Mathas. It depends upon you, 201 rps, 1001 rps, according to your discretion, whatever you recommend."<br />
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In his last days Swamiji requested all of the devotees, "Take me to Govardhana. I want to go there just now. I don't want to go by car. By bullock cart I will go, like Nanda Baba, Yasodamaiya, like all the Vraja-vasis, like the gopis." He wished for this opportunity; I knew this fact. But he could not go. Actually he went there with his soul and transcendental body. He is always there amongst Sri Rupa, Sanatana, Raghunatha, by tad-anuragi jananugami. So this was his last wish.<br />
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When we arrived in the final hours on November 14th, he was not speaking. I felt at that time by seeing his face that he was fully remembering the pastimes of Krishna in Vrindavana. I think it was great mercy coming from Krishna because for his whole lifetime he had served Radha-Krishna. For that special person, Krishna absorption is there. Entranced in this way, his eyes were closed and he was exhibiting special symptoms. It was a very touching (karuna) scene. He had no pain, no distraction. At that time his mouth was so beautiful- like a blossomed rose, like a lotus. These are the signs of a very great personality. There are signs, particular signs at that moment which show someone is remembering Krishna, and Swami Maharaja was exhibiting all those signs. He was very beautiful, very high-class.<br />
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Our brahmacaris were softly singing some bhajanas. At that time I saw that he was fully satisfied, and thus I was also fully satisfied. I knew then that he would surely go soon, but there was no sign when he would go; he would leave now or in a short time. Before, he had talked with me when he was in his external senses, but he did not request me to stay. I was not in a hurry, but I was thinking that just after my leaving for Mathura he would enter into nitya-lila. We left to return to Mathura and then we were informed that he departed a few hours later.<br />
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Shortly after that time we returned to the Krishna-Balarama Mandir and made all arrangements for his mahotsava. According to his wishes we took him on procession in front of most of the important deities of Vrindavana. There were so many of his disciples and other persons chanting in that procession. All of the Vraja-vasis came into the streets to honor him. After this, I prepared his body. I wrote the special mantras on his chest and forehead with tilaka. I used the salt for his body. Then, following all of the proper Vaisnava procedures, I put his transcendental body into samadhi with my own hand.<br />
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----Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja<br />
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.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-13703367361418038592011-09-23T17:38:00.000-07:002011-09-23T17:41:04.791-07:00CARTAS DA AMERICA" Nossa relação certamente é baseada em amor espontâneo. Por causa disto, não há possibilidade de esquecermo-nos um ao outro.... Desde a primeira que eu vi você eu tenho sido seu eterno bem-querente. Na primeira vez que Bhaktissidhanta Sarasvati Thakura (Prabhupada) me viu, ele também sentiu este tipo de amor. Foi neste meu primeiro darsana de Prabhupada Sarasvati Thakura que eu aprendi á amar."<br />
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(de uma carta de Swami Prabhupada para Narayana Maharaj no dia 28 de setembro de 1966)<br />
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> Caros vaishnavas<br />
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> Dandavats<br />
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> Srila Prabhupada ki jaya!<br />
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> Sri Guru e Gouranga ki jaya!<br />
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> Param Vijayate Sri Krishna Sankirtanam!<br />
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> O Iskcon Justiça, órgão da Secretaria da Justiça do CGB da Iskcon, julgou<br />
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> recentemente um recurso interposto por um devoto contra a decisão de um<br />
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> templo, no qual foi questionada a aplicabilidade da referida decisão ao<br />
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> todos os demais templos da Iskcon no Brasil. O recurso foi provido porque a<br />
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> condenação a um programa de observação não seguiu os requisitos necessários.<br />
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> Trata-se, sem dúvida, de um tema polêmico que merece reflexão sob as leis<br />
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> da Iskcon.<br />
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> Como a questão fazia parte do mérito, e o recurso foi decidido para<br />
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> reformar a decisão do templo sem julgar o mérito, por falta de cumprimento<br />
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> de requisitos processuais, o tema não c hegou a intergrar o acórdão, que<br />
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> será publicado hoje e disponibilizado depois publicamente, com exclusão dos<br />
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> nomes das partes, visto que sua leitura poderá ser de grande ajuda tanto<br />
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> para os devotos quanto para os programas sobre a condução de procedimentos<br />
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> administrativos disciplinares. A votação foi unânime, tendo participado eu,<br />
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> prabhu Mahesvara Caitanya, biólogo, e Bkn. Leuni Denstone, advogada<br />
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> residente em Fortaleza, esposa de prabhu Vaikuntha. As partes foram<br />
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> representadas por advogados.<br />
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> Transcrevo abaixo a seção do meu voto que dispunha sobre o assunto.<br />
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> Em decorrência, foram criados pelo IJ dois tipos de procedimentos:<br />
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> HOMOLOGAÇÃO NACIONAL DE DECISÃO LOCAL, e HOMOLOGAÇÃO NACIONAL DE DECISÃO<br />
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> INTERNACIONAL, mediante os quais o IJ apreciará a aplicabilidade das<br />
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> decisões dos programas do Brasil e do exterior em todo o território<br />
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> nacional.<br />
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><br />
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> seu servo<br />
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><br />
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> Advaya dasa (ACBSP)<br />
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>t;<br />
> DA EXTRATERRITORIALIDADE*<br />
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> Qualquer que seja a sanção imposta, deve-se apreciar o<br />
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> argumento do recorrente sobre a extrapolação da decisão recorrida ao<br />
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> determinar sua aplicação nos demais templos da Iskcon, a prejuízo da<br />
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> autonomia dos entes filiados.<br />
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><br />
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> Primeiramente, deve-se reconhecer que, historicamente,<br />
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> sempre houve na Iskcon casos de devotos que tiveram problemas de<br />
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> relacionamento em uma comunidade e desenvolveram trabalhos relevantes em<br />
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> outras. Portanto, as animosidades meramente pessoais não poderiam suscitar a<br />
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> possibilidade de uma sanção disciplinar baseada nesses ânimos acirrados<br />
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> pretender sua aplicação universal no âmbito da Iskcon.<br />
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> No entanto, admitida a inovação no polo ativo, verifica-se<br />
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> que a ofensa atribuída ao recorrente envolve a própria instituição. Nesse<br />
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> sentido, a questão torna-se mais relevante.<br />
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> A necessidade de preservar a instituição em casos em que ela<br />
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> seja exposta coletivamente está prevista no item 4.4.2.1.1, sob o título<br />
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> Serviços de Registro de Reclamação, das diretrizes do Ministério da Justiça<br />
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> da Iskcon:<br />
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> O Ministro da Justiça manterá um registro das reclamações contra os<br />
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> devotos, quasi-devotos, e organizações de devotos, que ou se recusaram a<br />
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> participar dos mecanismos de disputa de resolução acima, ou que tenham<br />
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> falhado em acatar os acordos atingidos. Assim, a comunidade da ISKCON terá<br />
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> um local para onde poderá se dirigir para descobrir informações acerca das<br />
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> reclamações anteriores contra indivíduos ou organizações. Ele atuará,<br />
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> essencialmente, como um Better Business Bureau.<br />
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> A seguir, a diretriz 4.4.2.1.2, sob o título<br />
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> Registro de Prevenção, dispõe:<br />
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> Outro aspecto deste serviço será manter um registro de caráteres<br />
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> questionáveis que viajem pelo mundo da ISKCON. Tais indivíduos podem estar<br />
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> listados no Registro de Reclamação, e as informações estarão disponíveis, a<br />
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> pedido. Como este serviço tem o potencial de ser mal utilizado, listar e<br />
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> relatar estará sujeito ao discernimento do Ministro da Justiça.<br />
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; Denota-se, portanto, que embora as diretrizes do Ministério<br />
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> da Justiça apontem para a necessidade de dar aos templos a possibilidade de<br />
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> se precaverem contra personalidades questionáveis, indicando igualmente a<br />
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> necessidade de que os templos supervisionem o cumprimento de acordos e<br />
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> sanções pelos envolvidos, em nenhuma parte se diz que as decisões de um<br />
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> templo em seus processos internos devam ser imediatamente aplicáveis por<br />
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> todos os templos.<br />
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> Ao contrário, existe o reconhecimento de que esse tipo de<br />
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> penalização universal possa ser mal aplicado, remetendo-se ao Ministério da<br />
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> Justiça a decisão de incluir pessoas em listas restritivas.<br />
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> Claro que não se trata, no caso concreto, de imputar abuso<br />
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> à decisão do órgão recorrido, mas de se manter o limite estabelecido pelo<br />
<br />
> Ministério da Justiça às aplicações de sanções extraterritoriais, como<br />
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> medida de segurança institucional para todos os membros da Iskcon,<br />
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> equiparável à necessidade de segurança institucional das entidades que<br />
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> compõem a Iskcon.<br />
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> DISPOSIÇÃO<br />
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> No demais, voto pelo provimento parcial ao recurso...reformando o ponto da<br />
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> decisão que estipula a aplicação do programa de observação nos demais<br />
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> projetos da Iskcon, sem prejuízo de as autoridades do templo XXX requererem<br />
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> a aplicação nacional ao CGB e a aplicação internacional ao Ministério de<br />
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> Justiça da Iskcon.<br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Sep 20, 2011 — UK (SUN) — </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> I have just read… gasp… the bankruptcy appeal on behalf of HH Bhakti Caru Swami. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> I intend to rush out immediately and try to sell one or more of my organs and donate the proceeds to this worthy cause. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Perhaps I can convince Maharaja... or at least some of his followers to do likewise.</span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> I am so sorry to hear of Maharaja's plight… I am told he has had to sell his Rolex and is considering NOT travelling first class on his trips around the world. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> I have known about Maharaja's financial woes for some time, being in touch with some of his disciples…</span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> the bailiffs in ISKCON Ujjain have reportedly taken away Maharaja's Mercedes. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Shame on those demons. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Maharaja's disciples have obviously let him down by not selling their homes to facilitate some of the Maharaja's other schemes. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> But... I am scared of committing Vaisnava aparadha should I dare to say something. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Such is life in ISKCON. </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> Remember… we are NOT allowed to be critical... </span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> until of course…</span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> yet again…</span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"> the damage is done.</span>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-70839089276716524242011-09-13T22:31:00.000-07:002011-09-23T20:01:06.553-07:00KILLER KRISHNAS FROM INNER SPACE<span class="Apple-style-span" style="clear: left; float: left; font-size: 15px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://www.american-buddha.com/krishna-vampirewtext_small.gif" /></span><br />
by Charles Carreon<br />
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I had never thought particularly ill of the “International Society for Krishna Consciousness” (“ISKCON”) until I read Monkey On A Stick -- Murder, Madness, and the Hare Krishnas by John Hubner and Lindsey Gruson, published in 1989. I discovered the book on a paperback rack in 1999 while standing in an A&P grocery store killing time one evening in Daytona, Florida. Initially captivated by the almost-unbelievable tale of how a gang of pedophile vegetarians ran an international sex and drug ring under the guise of a charity and service, I returned to the story several times, and have now produced an up-to-date telling of how one more hippie dream went horrendously sour with the help of this kooky little thing called “Eastern religion.” This article is separated into two parts, a summary of some of the most lurid stories that appear in Monkey On A Stick, and the legal story, drawn primarily from legal documents and news reports about the aftermath of the IKSCON pedophilia scandal.<br />
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Monkey On A Stick covers the time period in the mid-to-late eighties, when eleven Western "gurus" ruled the ISKCON empire, after the death of founder Swami Prabhupada, and abused their power over hundreds of thousands of Krishna devotees. Based in India, the virulent, perverted nature of the cult that operated under the acronym ISKCON, “International Society for Krishna Consciousness,” has never been fully known. This book is well worth reading, whether you are looking for good reasons to avoid getting into a religious cult, or are simply a devotee of the true crime genre.<br />
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The most horrific events in the book center around sex, murder and drug dealing at a West Virginia temple called “New Vrindaban,” founded by Keith Ham, a New York homosexual who dropped out of the Columbia grad school religious department to become an early devotee of Prabhupada and took the name Kirtananda (“Blissful-in-sacred-song”). Kirtananda and his partner Howard Wheeler, who joined at the same time, rose high in the Krishna hierarchy. Both were perverts to the core. Wheeler opened a temple in Ensenada, Mexico near the flesh markets of Tijuana, and enjoyed the free access to the bodies of poor children as only a pedophile could. Kirtanananda shielded a teacher from prosecution who publicly sodomized many young Krishna children in his classroom in front of their peers, and shipped him to India as the police were closing in with an arrest warrant.<br />
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If you went to an airport in the seventies, you may have wondered what would happen with the money if you gave a young devotee money in exchange for pseudo-ecstatic dancing, repetitive music, simpy smiles, and cheap incense. Read this book and wonder no longer. The official name for the platoons of urban change-scavengers was "sankirtan groups," but they were colloquially referred to as "scam-kirtan." Armies of young women, bullied by cynical, pimpish fellows, wrung innumerable dollars from the pocketbooks of tired Americans, meeting a usual quota of $300 a day, or getting a beating to cover the difference. These young women were also often sexual playthings for the heterosexual appetites of the more plebeian devotees who went for that sort of thing. Kirtanananda also collected millions from drug dealing and money laundering, and directed rings of scam-operators who solicited donations in the name of Vietnam veterans, hungry children, etc.<br />
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Kirtanananda was reportedly inseparable from a young boy called Samba, who sat at his side at all times, and with whom he often slept. Kirtananda was also unquestionably a woman-hater. He counseled men to beat their wives “like their prayer drums” – because it would improve them -- and despised audiences with women devotees, describing the occasion as "fish night," when extra incense had to be burned to counter the odor of women. According to the authors, the entire Krishna empire became a magnet for homosexuals with a lust for power, after Prabhupada, disenchanted with the 80% divorce-rate that afflicted the numerous marriages between devotees that he had arranged by edict, decided that only sannyasins, (male) "renunciates," could take leadership positions in the organization. While “celibacy” was enjoined upon male sannyasins, staying in the closet was no problem for these skirt-wearing, chanting, dancing worshippers of Vishnu.<br />
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Kirtananda’s management of New Vrindavan was similar to the style that Leona Helmsley would have adopted if she’d been operating the Vatican. Little people would of course sometimes get hurt when God went about His business. So there were a few shallow graves here and there on the property — big deal. The temple roof was leafed with gold, and the floors were pure marble. The architecture overawed with splendor, lifting the mind to God. Lots of people felt very peaceful and divine there, leading them to part with a check or a stack of ill-gotten cash.<br />
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Kirtananda was as blatant about ruling by terror as Don Corleone. He expressly ordered the horrifying murder of Chuck St. Denis that's chillingly described in the book’s opening chapter. He was shot twelve times with a .22, and repeatedly stabbed in the chest with a kitchen knife while being exhorted to chant Krishna’s name so that he would be reborn in the Hindu heaven. As the life fled from him, he howled like a dog, so the killers cracked his skull with a hammer. Even after all that, as they wrapped his body in a plastic tarp, he opened his eyes and warned them not to do that, because then he wouldn’t be able to breathe. They buried him under a stream, which is probably a good way to make a spirit unquiet, and perhaps that is why his cries, which vanished into the West Virginia night, echoed on, causing rage to burn even in the hearts of idiot mouse-like devotees accustomed to burying their fears in monotonous chanting.<br />
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Kirtananda, quoting one of Prabhupada’s quaint Indian sayings, likened the murder of St. Denis to impaling "a monkey on a stick" to frighten other monkeys, and for a long time it worked. Everyone in New Vrindaban knew that St. Denis had been killed on Kirtanananda’s orders by his personal thug, Tom Drescher. No one dared to speak out because Drescher lived under Kirtananda’s express protection, in the lap of privilege, right there in New Vrindaban. Undermined by Kirtanananda's financial influence, the local police and prosecutors didn’t act against Drescher.<br />
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But justice sometimes finds its vehicle. One day a deranged devotee spontaneously attacked Kirtananda with a three-foot steel rod, making serious dents in his brain. Kirtananda barely survived, and ever after walked with a cane, suffering headaches and double vision. Even in that debilitated state, however, Kirtananda maintained his corrupt grip on the faithful, and directed Drescher to kill Steve Bryant, the New Vrindaban exile who considered it his mission from Krishna to expose Kirtanananda's abuses, and had been publishing the embarrassing truth. Drescher killed Bryant in LA, which caused the pot to boil over, and resulted in his prosecution and conviction for St. Denis’ murder. Now serving a life sentence in prison, Drescher has nevertheless been elevated by his service to Krishna to the status of holy assassin, a destroyer of unbelievers. In a special ceremony conducted by Kirtanananda, he was given authority to initiate prisoners in the Hare Krishna path, and has several followers inside.<br />
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The Legal Story<br />
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Kirtananda Convicted and Released After A Few Years In Club Fed<br />
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The story that the authors of Monkey On A Stick tell about the ISKCON cult has been confirmed by subsequent revelations. In February 1987, the New Vrindavan was closed and the principal fled the country as law enforcement closed in. On February 17, 1987, Frederick DiFrancesco and and Larry Gardner were indicted on child molestation charges, and although Kirtananda denounced the investigation and charges as mere persecution, in 1990 the Feds indicted him on five counts of racketerring, six counts of mail fraud, and conspiracy to murder St. Denis and Bryant. A jury convicted him of all but the murder-conspiracy charges, but the verdict was reversed on the grounds that testimony about the child molestation had prejudiced the jury. In the midst of a retrial, he pled guilty to one count of racketeering, and was sentenced to twelve years in prison. Released in 2004, he was received, as the New York Times put it, “into the welcoming arms of his congregation,” notwithstanding that ISKCON had discharged him from his religious position after concluding he was a pedophile.<br />
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The Texas Racketeering Lawsuit Against IKSCON <br />
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Well-known Texas trial attorney Windle Turley filed a federal lawsuit [online a t<a href="http://www.harekrsna.org/gurupoison/support/turley-case.pdf]">http://www.harekrsna.org/gurupoison/support/turley-case.pdf]</a><br />
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in 2000 on behalf of around 50 innocent children whose parents left them in the care of pedophiles while they worked the streets, scrounging cash to buy gold roofs and fancy cars for the heirarchy. Turley named 16 corporate defendants based in Texas, Pennsylvania, New York, Washington, Florida and California, seven defendants in their capacity as Executors of the Estate of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada -- Gregory Gottfired, Robert Grant, Thomas Hertzog, Ghopal Khanna, Howard Resnick and Glen Teton – and 18 more defendants as members of the Governing Body of Commissioners of ISKCON (the “GBC”). These defendants, by legal name and Krishna name, were FARAMARZ ATTAR (“Atreya Rsi das”), CHARLES BACIS (“Bhavananda das”), WILLIAM BERKE (“Bali Mardan das”), ROBERT CORENS, (“Rapanuga Swami”), WILLIAM DEADWYLER, III (“Ravindra Svarupa Das”), WILLIAM EHRLICHMAN (“Bhagavan Swami”), JOHN FAVORS (“Bhakti Tirtha Swami”), STEVEN GOREYNO a/k/a STEVEN GUARINO (“Satsvarupa das”), MICHAEL GRANT (“Mukunda Goswami”), KEITH HAM (“Kirtanananda”) resides, THEODORE RICHARD HARRIS (“Panca Dravida Swami”), THOMAS HERTZOG (“Tamal Krishna Goswami”), JEFFREY HICKEY (“Jagadish das”), GOPAL KHANNA (“Gopal Krishna Goswami”), HANS KARY (“Hansadutta Swami”), WILLIAM OGLE (“Balavanta das”), HOWARD RESNICK (“Hrdayananda das Goswami”), BRUCE SCHARF (“Brahmananda”).<br />
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Turley’s complaint alleged that ISKCON became a den of thieves and a one-stop-shop for pedophiles, who in exchange for donations, would find a perv-friendly environment, a ready supply of compliant victims, and cover from investigation and prosecution.<br />
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“ISKCON and its leaders …enriched themselves by granting special favors to large fund raisers and donors, even if some large donors were drug dealers and other criminal elements. The special favors include, among others:<br />
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(a) Granting teaching positions to sexual predators so they would have access to children for their sexual gratification;<br />
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(b) Giving young girls from the gurukulas as brides to older donor men;<br />
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(c) Creating “asylum” and a ring of protection against apprehension of fugitives, including those dealing illegally in arms, drugs and murder, within the ISKCON enterprise;<br />
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(d) Destroying evidence and failing to report criminal conduct on the part of ISKCON and devotees.”<br />
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Turley further alleged that under the cover of being an international religious organization, ISKCON offshored its perversities in India, where sexual abuse of children is culturally accepted, rarely investigated, and virtually never prosecuted.<br />
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“In a conscious effort to avoid policing and scrutiny by U.S.A. child protection agencies, ISKCON took a large portion of its boarding school activities overseas to India. In India, ISKCON managed at least two profoundly abusive boarding schools for boys. These were the Vrindavan and Mayapur schools. Both were staffed and controlled by appointees of ISKCON who were, for the most part, assigned from the United States. The students sent there were almost exclusively from the United States, and the management policies, devised and implemented by the GBC, originated in the U.S.A. The Indian schools were among the worst offenders and abusers of minor boys, and many of the Indian school teachers and leaders were also teachers, leaders and abusers in United States schools.”<br />
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Turley’s complaint alleged that devotees were required to put their children in the “gurukula” boarding schools, which were basically pools of children who were rented to pedophiles.<br />
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“Some examples of the types of abuse and neglect to which the children, ranging in age from 3 years to 18 years, were subjected include but are not limited to:<br />
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· Sexual abuse including rape, oral sex, intercourse with children, sexual fondling of children, and masturbation with children.<br />
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· Physical beatings of children with boards, branches, clubs, and poles.<br />
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· Physical beatings by adult teachers and school leaders with fists to the head and stomach.<br />
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· Kicking the children into submission.<br />
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· Children were in some instances made to walk great distances in bitter cold, including snow and rain, without jackets, coats, or shoes.<br />
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· Children were often forced to sleep on cold floors and in unheated rooms.<br />
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· Children were frequently deprived entirely of medical care [for] malaria, hepatitis, yellow fever, teeth being knocked out, broken facial bones, and broken bones in their hands, often inflicted as they attempted to shield themselves from beatings.<br />
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· Children were sometimes kept in filthy conditions. In at least one instance, a local group utilized what had recently been a cattle or horse barn for a nursery.<br />
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· In almost every school the children were kept in severely overcrowded conditions, often forced to sleep shoulder to shoulder on the floor or in small rooms in three-high bunks with 10 or 12 children to each tiny room.<br />
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· The children were physically abused by being awakened every day in the early morning hours (generally at 4:00 a.m.) and subjected to a cold shower, after which they were taken, without any breakfast, to a daily religious service. At some schools, the children were forced to walk great distances in the dark to attend the service, and often in cold or rainy conditions, clothed only in their thin gown-like “dohti.”<br />
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· The children were not provided bathroom tissue, but instead were expected to wipe themselves with their fingers, after which they would dip their fingers into a bowl of water.<br />
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· As punishment for not cleaning themselves thoroughly, children were scrubbed with steel wool until their skin was raw and sometimes bleeding.<br />
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· Children were abused when they were forced to sleep on their wet blankets or in tubs as punishment if they wet their bedding.<br />
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· Some children were forced to wear their soiled underclothes on their heads for long periods of time because they had wet themselves.<br />
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· Children were often forced to go without food entirely, either because there was none, or as punishment. When food was provided, it was always inadequate for a growing child’s diet.<br />
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· The inadequate food that was provided was often prepared in unsanitary conditions, was of very poor quality and so unpleasant that even hungry children frequently could not eat it. In at least one school, the children learned as a matter of routine to remove insects from their food before eating it.<br />
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· Each child was expected to eat what they were provided. If they did not do so, their served portion was kept on their plates until the next meal when it was served again. This process often continued until the cold food -- even moldy and insect-infested -- was swallowed.<br />
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· In some schools, children were forced to lick up their vomit from any foul food they may have thrown up.<br />
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· At New Vrindavan, three young boys, about six or seven years of age, who worked in the kitchen, took some food to their hungry friends. They were caught and punished by being gagged, having bags placed over their heads, and being put in a small room for several days with only a bucket for their waste and no food or water. One of the same boys was later slammed by a teacher into a marble wall, resulting in a loss of some teeth and fractured facial bones.<br />
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· Children were controlled by various threats to hurt or kill them and by punishments. Young children, strictly limited to a vegetarian diet, were continually terrorized when told that non-Krishnas were meat-eaters, that they ate each other, and that the children, if given to or taken by the meat-eaters, would themselves be eaten.<br />
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· Children often saw rats in their rooms and schools. Some children (such as those at the school in Dallas) were told the rats lived in a particular old closet, and the child would be, and often was, placed in the closet if they didn’t do as told.<br />
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· One form of punishment included forcing little children to stand on a crate for long periods of time in a darkened closet “so the rats would not eat them.”<br />
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· Very young children were in fact placed in those dark and locked closets and left afraid and crying for hours at a time. They were locked overnight in dark cellars with dirt floors. One young child was made to sleep alone in the loft of a cold barn for many nights.<br />
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· Sometimes the children were sent by their superiors to massage and bathe the religious gurus and then drink their now “blessed bath water.”<br />
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· In some cases, children were stuffed into trash barrels for periods of two to three days, with the lid on, as punishment for relatively trivial “sins.”<br />
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· Children were almost universally told that if they disclosed their condition or complained to their parents or others, they would be severely punished. When complaints were made, the children were publicly and often severely beaten or subjected to other forms of punishment.<br />
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· Girls, as young as 12 or 13 years, were frequently “given” or “promised” to an older male in the movement. Although their marriages were generally not sexually consummated until the child was at least 16 or 17 years old, the little girls were terrorized by the threats, and often reality, of being given away by their leaders to become engaged to marry “strange old men.”<br />
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· Children were often forced to lie awake in their beds or sleeping bags and listen as their little friends were sexually molested by teachers and other leaders.<br />
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· The children were emotionally abused by subjecting them to near-total parental and societal isolation. In an effort to totally control their minds, the children were, in most cases, separated and isolated from their parents and were not allowed to have regular contact with their parents. Personal visits, correspondence, and telephone calls were either forbidden or discouraged. Gifts, particularly of food, were intercepted. For example, one young boy felt abandoned by his parents, and had no contact with his family for more than a year. He later learned the one small package of cookies sent by his mother was intercepted and kept from him.<br />
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· Children were frequently moved to different schools in different states without the consent (or, sometimes, knowledge) of parents. Some children were hidden from parents. Some boys were shipped out of the country to ISKCON schools in India. In at least some cases, after the parents discovered their child’s whereabouts and made arrangements for them to come home, their plane tickets were intercepted, and torn up in front of the children. Then, these children were punished for their parents’ attempt to bring them home.<br />
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· Even though the children were given by their parents to ISKCON to educate, except for the reading of their “vedic scriptures,” the children received little or no education.<br />
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· Because of near-total isolation from the outside world and lack of education, the children who remained within the ISKCON schools for extended periods of time were totally unequipped to enter outside society. They have experienced extreme difficulty in earning a living, entering and maintaining relationships, including marriage, and in adapting to the laws and regulations of society. Many are in need of extended psychological and/or vocational training, rehabilitation, and medical care.”<br />
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Helping Hands From The Religious Establishment Reach Out To Aid ISKCON<br />
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Strangely enough, mainstream U.S. churches supported ISKCON in its efforts to get the lawsuit dismissed. The following groups joined in filing a “friend of the court” brief urging Judge Sam Lindsay to dismiss the case on the grounds that a church could not be legally characterized as a “racketeering” organization, and thus there was no federal law on which the court could base its exercise of jurisdiction over the defendants.<br />
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The American Jewish Congress<br />
Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs<br />
Christian Legal Society<br />
Christian Life Commission of the Baptist General Convention of Texas<br />
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints<br />
The Evangelical Covenant Church<br />
The First Church of Christ,Scientist<br />
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists<br />
General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A)<br />
National Council of Churches of Christ in the United States<br />
United States Catholic Conference<br />
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Affecting a pious and disinterested tone, these eleven churches, each of which has now been implicated in the ever-widening scandal of ecclesiastical sex abuse, waded into the dispute to protect the coffers of ISKCON from being tapped by a damage award that could help the Krishna children rebuild lives shattered by their collision with a diabolical cult that had the foresight to incorporate as a church in order to conceal, foster, and escape justice for its widespread criminal activities. The “friend of the court” brief, filled with supercilious chaff, referring to the churches as “amici,” dresses up the argument in First Amendment garb:<br />
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“This case originally involved allegations of sexual abuse by some members of the International Society For Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) entrusted with the education of children. Amici do not have any knowledge of the truth of these allegations, nor are we speaking to any factual issues in this case. We all unequivocally condemn all forms of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse whenever such abuse occurs. All of the amici with pastoral responsibilities have, in our own ways, sought to deal with it, and to heal its devastating effects. Amici file this brief because proper resolution of the serious threat to religious freedom posed by the RICO claim in the Amended Complaint is critical to the autonomy of churches, synagogues, mosques, and other religious organizations. Religious freedom is fragile enough without adding the threat of destruction by lawsuit under a statute designed to eliminate organized crime, not organized religion. The attempted use of RICO to target an entire religious community is an outrage against the First Amendment.”<br />
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Judge Lindsay accepted the argument that churches cannot, as a matter of law, be characterized as criminal organizations, thus giving the green light to creative criminals who wish to adopt the ecclesiastical cowl as a cloak for criminality. Calling the ruling a “victory for religious freedom,” attorney David Liberman equated liberty with libertinage, an intent that I am certain the Framers of the Constitution never conceived in all of their deliberations.<br />
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Chapter 11 Bankruptcy To The Rescue<br />
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After the suit was dismissed, Turley refiled in Texas state court, and ISKCON moved to the next stage of legal defense – the bankruptcy courts. Claiming that the $400 Million in damages sought exceeded the value of ISKCON’s property, Liberman orchestrated bankruptcy filings of numerous ISKCON-related entities around the nation. This required all injured individuals to submit claims in bankruptcy by June 30, 2003. The case was settled in bankruptcy in May 2005. By that time, 540 Krishna children had submitted claims, and a $9.5 Million fund was allocated to provide them with awards. A press release stated: “The amount each individual receives will be based on the nature of the abuse, its severity, and the time factor. The amount of compensation received by most will range from $2,500 to $50,000.” ISKCON leaders mumbled mea culpas all the way to the bank, proving as many a mediator has argued, that saying you’re sorry can greatly reduce the bill you’re forced to pay.<br />
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A Pittance For The Victims<br />
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Ultimately, with insurance money, Turley garnered $20 Million to be divided among the claimants. If we take out just 25% for Turley, that leaves $17.5 Million, which divided by 450, gives you less than $39,000 per claimant. Take a look at the types of abuse those children suffered – teeth knocked out, forced to eat their own vomit, and according to statements from virtually all of the children interviewed, an interminable, daily stream of sexual assaults. Ask yourself how forty-grand can possibly compensate for those types of injury. Ganganam Dasa wrote a short article in October 2009, in which he said that the settlements were small: “It works out to about two thousand dollars twice a year for 4 years -- about enough to pay rent and bills for a short time -- a pittance for a stolen childhood and a bleak future.” The suffering that the Krishna children endured in childhood was a setup for failure in adult life. As Ganganam Dasa wrote:<br />
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“As many of us gurukulis are in our 30's and because of the low quality of education given in the gurukulas, university entrance was impossible. While ordinary karmis (non-Krishna people) are having successful lives -- financial, emotional, and family stability -- every gurukuli I know is struggling day to day, have not attained the dreams of having what karmis consider even average success: family, a comfortable living situation, reliable vehicle, etc. I have to emphasize that when I was 4, I didn't make the choice, unlike adults, to join a religion that celebrates poverty, lack of family, and viewing the world as a Kali Yuga hellhole that we must leave ASAP. Now as a result, many of us have grown up into exactly what was planned for us -- emotionally disturbed, unskilled losers, while many others around us who had normal childhoods are prospering with happy lives complete with families of their own. It's no wonder some have attempted or chosen to end their lives through suicide.”<br />
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The Violators Got A Free Ride<br />
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In the end, it seems clear that: (1) there were at the very least over five-hundred children subjected to conditions of terrible abuse that destroyed their experience of childhood and rendered them unfit for adulthood, (2) the ISKCON organization ultimately admitted total responsibility for the creation and establishment of the system that enabled the abusers, (3) the abusers were never systematically identified or held personally responsible, and were effectively immunized by the bankruptcy proceeding, (4) virtually no one, besides the two pervert teachers indicted in South Carolina, were ever even criminally charged, much less convicted for their commission of heinous acts of abuse, and (5) the ISKCON organization has suffered little in the way of consequence on a financial scale, a mere speeding ticket in the life of a cult that has vacuumed the cash out of innumerable pockets and purses.<br />
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It’s quite remarkable, really, and teaches you something – the sins of the parents will be visited upon the children, and when you are born to parents stupid enough to raise you in a cult, nobody is really going to care that much about your problems. It will all be viewed as self-inflicted, even though, as Ganganam Dasa said, he had nothing to do with the bad choices his parents made. So when you see someone leading their whole family into a lifestyle that says you should surrender everything worldly, pursue a life of poverty, and give your children the gift of a sanctified lifestyle, tell them story of the Killer Krishnas. Maybe, just maybe, they’ll think twice. <br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QbNnW4hsCAg" style="height: 390px; width: 569px;" width="640"></iframe>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-6699024464712869352011-05-11T07:27:00.000-07:002011-05-11T07:27:14.969-07:00False Guru end Fake Acarya<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yMD0H6b7IXU/TcqcIWKfsuI/AAAAAAAAFig/WrSLpf-iLAo/s1600/20.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yMD0H6b7IXU/TcqcIWKfsuI/AAAAAAAAFig/WrSLpf-iLAo/s320/20.JPG" width="320" /></a></div>"There are a great deal of so-called gurus who steal the wealth of their disciples, whereas a guru who has the capacity to purify one's heart and make one affluent with the wealth of krsna-prema is extremely rare in this world. Fortunately..., we somehow attained the opportunity to come to the lotus feet of such an extremely rare guru. By his mercy, we learned that the svarupa laksana of a real guru manifests only in a maha-bhagavata for such a maha-bhagavata is constantly engaged in service to Krsna and has completely conquered the urges of speech, mind, anger, tongue, belly and genitals. He alone is eligible to bestow mantra and the maha mantra for he alone has a completely pure heart, saturated with prema and illuminated with the very nature of mantra and nama. If a person has neither attained mantra-siddhi nor realized the non-difference between the holy name and the possessor of the name, then his efforts to bestow mantras are nothing but hypocrisy." .....from the Editorial to the latest Harmonist...adapted from Gaudiya, year 2, issue 3<br />
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--45CWueeZ4Y/Tcqcfqn-WTI/AAAAAAAAFio/AigJepYSB2I/s1600/32.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="400" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--45CWueeZ4Y/Tcqcfqn-WTI/AAAAAAAAFio/AigJepYSB2I/s400/32.JPG" width="300" /></a></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-77402069822708087892010-11-24T02:44:00.000-08:002010-11-24T02:44:32.638-08:00PEDOFILIA NA INSTITUIÇÃO ISKCON FASHION<div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Mensagem Confidencial do Subcomitê GBC</span></b></div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Sobre Caso de Pedofilia de Lokanatha Svami</span></b></div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div> <blockquote> <blockquote> <div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">PEDOFILIA NA INSTITUIÇÃO</span></div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.guardioes.com/pedofilia.htm#Breve">Breve Relato de um Incidente em 1990 Envolvendo S. S. ,</a></span></b></div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Mensagem Confidencial do Subcomitê GBC</span></b></div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Sobre Caso de Pedofilia de Lokanatha Svami</span></b></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> RE: Copia da mensagem para a reunião do GBC </span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Caros membros do GBC, é meu dever informá-los das ações de um subcomitê especial do GBC que trata de uma investigação confidencial sobre Lokanatha Maharaja. Os membros do subcomitê são: eu próprio, Badrinarayana Prabhu, Mukunda Maharaja, Sridara Swami, Virabahu Prabhu, and Ravindra Swarupa Prabhhu.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> É importante que vocês estejam cientes das decisões e descobertas do comitê para que possam lidar adequadamente com os rumores que estão circulando.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Por favor, entendam que esses assuntos são estritamente confidenciais. Eu estou pedindo a cada membro do GBC para não mostrar esta mensagem para ninguém mais. Também, por favor, apaguem esta mensagem depois de lê-la.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Madhusevita Prabhu pediu-me para adicionar o seguinte: “<b>Se um membro do GBC for detectado tendo impresso ou divulgado este relato de uma maneira inadvertida ele pode estar sujeito à censura pelo Ex Comm</b>”</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Aqui estão os detalhes:</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> "Em 1990 enquanto permaneceu na casa de uma família por alguns dias Lokanath Swami (Swami x) tocou uma jovem garota pré-adolescente de um modo inapropriado, colocando sua mão no colo dela. Ele estava sentado próximo a ela em um sofá na sala de estar da família, ambos estavam segurando of livro de Krishna em suas mãos, a mão que segurava o livro (a parte de trás da mão) repousou no colo dela enquanto ele lia o livro de Krishna. A mão não se moveu.<br />
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<!--[endif]--></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Em 1993 quando o presidente do GBC tomou ciência do incidente e designou um comitê para tratar do assunto, Swami x foi também informado à parar todas as iniciações.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">O comitê conduziu uma investigação completa, a qual incluiu trazer uma equipe de profissionais especialistas em Nova Iorque e incluir Mãe Yasoda. O custo dos especialistas excedeu U$2.500 por uma avaliação intensiva de quatro dias. Os especialistas fizeram um exame em profundidade do Swami x, depois do qual eles concluíram que este infeliz incidente tinha ocorrido por causa da completa falta de experiência do Swami x no assunto de trato com mulheres. Tendo aprendido sua lição (<i>a necessidade de seguir a conduta social apropriada para um sannyasi</i>) eles estavam confiantes de que este incidente não re-ocorreria. Eles também declararam que ele tinha a natureza adequada de um líder espiritual e deveria ser permitido a continuar em seu papel dentro de nossa sociedade.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Foi pedido desculpas através de carta e em pessoa para a garota e a família. Eles estavam satisfeitos. </span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">O comitê do GBC concluiu que este desvio da conduta aceitável foi acidental. Então em 1996 depois do Gour Purnima, ele foi autorizado a começar a aceitar discípulos novamente.”</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,serif;"> Foi concluído este ano em Mayapura que todos os discípulos prospectivos do Swami x receberiam a história do acima citado. </span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia,serif;">Bir Krishna Goswami</span></div></blockquote></blockquote></div><blockquote> <blockquote> <div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: center;"> <b><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><a href="" name="Breve">Breve</a> Relato de um Incidente em 1990 Envolvendo S. S. Lokanath Swami,</span></b></div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: center;"> <b><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">a Decisão do GBC, 25 de Fevereiro de 1999.</span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Em 1993, uma garota de quatorze anos de idade de descendência indiana apresentou uma queixa concernente à S. S. Lokanath Swami perante alguns membros do GBC. (A garota é uma filha de membros iniciados da ISKCON que residiram por longo tempo na América.) A garota declarou que por volta de três anos antes, quando ela tinha onze anos de idade e Lokanath Swami esteve em sua residência familiar, incidentes aconteceram entre eles, os quais fizeram-na sentir-se sexualmente vitimada por Lokanath Swami. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Após receber a queixa da garota, foi providenciado para que um comitê de sete membros do GBC encontrasse Lokanath Swami o mais breve possível. O GBC também providenciou para que a jovem garota fosse entrevistada, primeiro por uma devota que a garota conhecesse e confiasse e, depois, por outra devota que era uma profissional de saúde mental no campo de molestamento de criança.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">O comitê do GBC imediatamente suspendeu Lokanath Swami de iniciar novos discípulos e restringiu seus movimentos enquanto se encarregava de uma investigação completa.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Isto foi o que o comitê do GBC descobriu: </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Em 1990, enquanto Lokanath Swami liderava o programa mundial de “Padayatra”, ele quebrou uma perna. Enquanto convalescia com sua perna direita numa atadura, ele permaneceu por aproximadamente sete dias com uma família de devotos na América. Durante sua curta permanência, Lokanath Swami foi freqüentemente pressionado pelo pai da família a administrar instrução espiritual e disciplina às suas crianças, especialmente à criança mais nova, uma garota de onze anos de idade. Durante o transcurso das interações de Lokanath Swami com a garota, os incidentes ocorreram os quais a garota mais tarde relatou.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Ela relatou que Lokanath Swami algumas vezes sentou desconfortavelmente próximo a ela, quando, por exemplo, ensinava-lhe a tocar harmonium. Algumas vezes ele a elogiava afagando-a e dizendo “Muito bom”. Uma manhã, Lokanath Swami, que tinha sido especialmente encarregado pelo pai da tarefa de acordar a garota na hora, notou que a garota estava atrasada. Enquanto cantava em seu quarto, Lokanath Swami viu a garota no quarto diretamente oposto ao seu. Apesar da hora tarde, ela ainda estava vestindo a longa camiseta que ela usava como uma camisola e estava chateada por ele tê-la visto. Quando ele disse-lhe para ir tomar seu banho, ela correu para dentro do armário dela para esconder-se dele. Ele a fez sair e enquanto passava correndo dele, ele disse, “Vá e tome seu banho!” e bateu nela com sua mão. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Entretanto, o incidente que mais afligiu a garota ocorreu uma manhã na sala de estar. Os dois sentaram próximos juntos em um sofá lendo um volume do Livro de Krsna, com o servo de Lokanath Swami entrando e saindo da sala e a mãe da garota cozinhando na cozinha adjacente. Enquanto eles estavam sentados lendo juntos, a mão de Lokanath Swami tocou e passou por sobre a parte superior da coxa da garota por sobre sua roupa. O psicólogo que avaliou este caso não teve dúvida de que a garota foi submetida a uma experiência perturbadora e mesmo traumatizante. Quando questionado, Lokanath Swami pôde reconhecer os vários episódios individuais que causaram o transtorno dela, e ele confessou o surgimento em si próprio, durante o incidente de leitura juntos, de sentimentos indecentes.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">A fim de ajudar a determinar a disposição apropriada deste caso, o GBC enviou Lokanath Swami para o CAP Behavior Associates, Inc., um grupo de profissional de saúde mental que especializou-se em avaliar e tratar o clero (de uma variedade de tradições religiosas) implicadas em molestamento de criança. O começo do relato escrito deles resume seus procedimentos:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">“O que segue é um sumário de nossa avaliação de Swami Lokanath e é fornecido através da solicitação do paciente em concordância com os pedidos da Comissão de Corpo Governamental (GBC) da Iskcon. A avaliação foi conduzida por um período de dois dias (25/06/93 & 26/06/93) e consistiu-se de entrevistas clínicas múltiplas (condição mental completa, história psicossocial e psicossexual), o Inventário de Personalidade Multifásica de Minnesota II, o Inventário Multiaxial Clínico Milton II, o Inventário de Conhecimento de Agressão, e o Teste do Borrão de Rorschach”. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> [<i>No original: the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory II, the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory II, the Assault Knowledge Inventory, and the Rorschach Inkblot Test</i>]</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">A equipe do CAP Behavior Associates também recebeu um relato do psicoterapeuta que entrevistou a vítima. Depois de completada a avaliação, os membros da equipe do CAP encontraram-se pessoalmente com alguns membros do GBC, explicaram suas constatações e responderam perguntas. O que segue são suas principais constatações:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">1. Lokanath Swami não é um pedófilo. Ele não apresenta perigo para crianças.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">2. Embora a garota fosse jovem, ela tinha começado a transição para o mundo feminino, e Lokanath Swami não se relacionou sexualmente na presença dela como se ela fosse uma criança.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">3. Lokanath Swami tinha sido educado de um modo que o manteve inteiramente inocente da experiência da sexualidade. Ele não foi submetido à normal (ou, de qualquer forma, ocidental) luta da adolescência para o controle da sexualidade e dos sentimentos sexuais. Assim, quando ele encontrou-se colocado em associação íntima com essa jovem garota, alguns sentimentos sexuais inesperadamente surgiram, mas estes sentimentos eram novos para ele, e ele não sabia exatamente como reconhecê-los ou enfrentá-los. As restrições normais e reflexas e inibições que a experiência teria estabelecido nele não estavam no lugar certo, e ele cedeu, momentaneamente, ao impulso e assim agiu de um modo transgressor. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">4. Determinadas circunstâncias conspiraram para dissociar Lokanath Swami de seu costumeiro senso de si mesmo e seu comportamento normal e para torná-lo extraordinariamente vulnerável. Primeiro, sua perna estava quebrada, uma séria incapacidade para alguém cujo principal serviço e razão de ser era o Padayatra andando. Segundo, sua imobilidade confinou-o por um prolongado período a uma atmosfera doméstica fora do comum, repleta de emoções e interações familiares. Terceiro, o forte desejo do pai para que Lokanath Swami administrasse instrução e disciplina para a garota também o conduziu a uma associação mais íntima com uma moça do que ele ordinariamente arriscar-se-ia.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">5. Os episódios ofensivos à garota foram, portanto, anômalos; provocados por uma “concatenação altamente incomum de circunstâncias”. Eles surgiram fortuitamente e, com um mínimo de precauções, tais ocasiões deverão ser fáceis de evitar no futuro.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">6. A total identidade e senso de si mesmo de Lokanath Swami estão edificados sobre seu papel como um líder religioso e este é um papel para o qual sua personalidade está excepcionalmente bem ajustada. Dadas as condições únicas que incitaram os episódios e dado o fato de que não há razão para supor que tais episódios ocorram novamente, Lokanath Swami deveria permanecer em seu papel como um líder religioso. (Entretanto, isto não nega os legítimos sentimentos de violação e abuso da garota).</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Tendo recebido esta avaliação, o comitê do GBC teve que tomar uma decisão. Sua conclusão, que surgiu depois de muita discussão, foi que a falha de Lokanath Swami exemplificou bem exatamente o que Srila Prabhupada denominou de um erro “acidental” (B.G. 9. 30-31). A transgressão de Lokanath Swami não foi planejada ou premeditada. Foi, para usar uma terminologia de Srila Prabhupada, inconsciente, não intencional e não deliberada. (Veja, por exemplo, a conversa de 10 de Maio de 1969, em Columbus, Ohio e a caminhada matinal de 9 de Janeiro de 1976 em Madras).</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Primeiramente, o palco foi construído pela altamente “incomum concatenação de circunstancias”: uma perna quebrada, uma permanência demasiado longa em uma residência de chefe de família, a obrigação para com o pai de ter que lidar com a garota e assim por diante, todos os quais operaram juntos para colocar Lokanath Swami em um estado vulnerável. Em segundo lugar, a própria condição inexperiente de Lokanath Swami, sua incomum inocência sexual ou ingenuidade, significando que aos quarenta anos de idade Lokanath Swami foi repentinamente assaltado por um sentimento com o qual ele nunca tinha lidado antes, e o qual ele conseqüentemente teve dificuldade de reconhecer e controlar efetivamente. Onde quer que Prabhupada tenha discutido tal erro acidental, ele o referiu ao súbito reaparecimento de um mau hábito interrompido. O caso de Lokanath Swami foi um pouco diferente: não havia sequer os traços subjacentes de um hábito anterior. Por isso, em seu caso, foi um erro que seria altamente improvável de acontecer novamente.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Ele foi declarado não ser nem pedófilo nem tampouco um agressor sexual. Ao mesmo tempo, o ato foi anômalo, circunstancial e não indicativo de comportamento futuro. Ademais, o GBC pôde reconhecer a verdade da avaliação dos psicólogos de que Lokanath Swami era eminentemente adaptado para seu papel como um líder e guia espiritual e que não permitir-lhe atuar nesta capacidade seria terminantemente devastador à sua identidade pessoal, seu senso de si mesmo. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; background: lime none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Por estas razões, o comitê do GBC decidiu que sua suspensão de dar iniciações permaneceria em vigor somente até o Gaura Purnima de 1996. Assim, por dois anos e meio ele não realizou iniciações. Até a época em que ele começou a iniciar novamente, mais de cinco anos teriam se passado desde o incidente na América. </span> </div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Mais duas estipulações foram adicionadas para enfatizar a seriedade de sua quebra de conduta e ajudá-lo a expiar por sua ofensa à garota:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Lokanath Swami foi solicitado a passar pelo menos dois meses em Vrindavan em um humor de arrependimento, orando à Prabhupada e Krishna por perdão. Ele fez isso e relatou que continua arrependido. Em acréscimo, ele foi instruído a buscar o perdão da vítima por ela mesma. Isto ele também o fez, primeiro por escrito e depois em pessoa, oferecendo suas reverências à garota na presença de um membro familiar. Em 1997, os discípulos líderes de Lokanath Swami foram também informados do incidente e, em consulta com o GBC, diretrizes foram estabelecidas para informar a iniciados em perspectiva da transgressão de Lokanath Swami e suas resoluções. Estas diretrizes foram aplicadas de acordo com tempo, lugar e circunstancia.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Os maiores receios do comitê são que a notícia deste evento fosse conseqüentemente tornada pública e inevitavelmente se tornasse exagerada; a reputação de Lokanath Swami seria manchada e o GBC seria acusado de “encobrir um pedófilo”. Embora altamente consciente deste provável prospecto, o comitê do GBC considerou ser inescrupuloso destruir a vida e serviço de Lokanath Swami meramente em nome da conveniência. O comitê também recordou que Prabhupada tinha exercido ele próprio uma política de tentar proteger a reputação de líderes que erraram para que assim eles pudessem retificar-se e continuar a servir o movimento. Em várias ocasiões quando um sannyasi teve uma queda e o fato foi aumentado e divulgado através de fofoca difamatória, Prabhupada ficou irritado. Embora ninguém nunca tenha acusado Prabhupada de “encobrimento”, os membros do comitê compreenderam que se eles perpetuassem a mesma política de Prabhupada no atual meio social, eles seriam acusados disto. Entretanto, de acordo com os ensinamentos e práticas estabelecidas por Srila Prabhupada, o erro acidental único de Lokanath Swami não o desqualifica de seu serviço, uma vez que ele reconheceu sua falta e seguiu todos os passos necessários para expiar por isto e retificar-se. Isto ele fez. Dada esta situação, estamos publicando esse relato verídico do incidente de 1990 e da maneira como o GBC lidou com ele.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Em apêndice, aqui está a conclusão do relato sobre Lokanath Swami submetido pelo CAP Behavior Associates., Nova Iorque, NY, datado de 01 de Julho de 1993:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">“Assim, dados o caráter detalhado e a análise de personalidade acima, nós não acreditamos que Swami Lokanath sofra de alguma condição parafílica e não representa um perigo público de violência sexual para com mulheres e crianças. Estas constatações não negam o fato de que ele agiu de uma maneira claramente inapropriada, ou que a garota que foi receptora dos atos dele possa ter experimentado muitas seqüelas traumáticas comuns às vítimas de abuso sexual. Acreditamos que as ações de Lokanath não foram conscientemente planejadas, mas resultaram de sua própria falta de qualquer experiência de intimidade e/ou sexualidade e da consciência internalizada das fronteiras as quais tais experiências proporcionam. Essa escassez de conhecimento experimental teria sido compensada se Lokanath tivesse seguido estritamente os princípios de seu credo religioso no que se refere às fronteiras apropriadas a serem observadas por pessoas do sexo masculino em relação ao sexo feminino. Entretanto, Lokanath encontrou-se num ambiente muito singular, o qual evocou sentimentos de laços familiares anteriores associados com sentimentos de vulnerabilidade devido à suas limitações físicas e que o tiraram brevemente de seu usual senso de si mesmo como definido por sua persona religiosa. A fim de melhor assegurar que tal conjunto de circunstâncias possa não re-ocorrer, nós sugerimos intensamente que Swami Lokanath não se permita estar sozinho com uma mulher ou criança, que ele continue suas obras religiosas de serviço absolutamente necessárias como elas são para a manutenção de um saudável senso de si mesmo no mundo, que ele não passe mais do que um dia/noite com uma família enquanto viaja, e que ele busque o contínuo apoio de seus colegas via comunicações com eles durante suas viagens. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">[Assinado:]</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Ken Cullen, C.S.W.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Christina Casals-Ariet, M.D., J.D.,</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%; text-align: justify;"> <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Vera Beato-Smith, Ph.D."</span></div><div align="justify" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"> </div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span lang="EN-US">Brief Account of a 1990 Incident Involving H. H. Lokanath Swami the GBC Decision</span></b></div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b> <span lang="EN-US">Feb. 25, 1999</span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">In 1993, a fourteen-year-old girl of Indian background lodged a complaint concerning H. H. Lokanath Swami before some members of the GBC. (The girl is a daughter of initiated ISKCON members who have long resided in America.) The girl asserted that about three years earlier, when she had been eleven years old and Lokanath Swami had been staying in her family's home, incidents took place between them which made her feel sexually victimized by Lokanath Swami.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">After receiving the girl's complaint, it was arranged for a committee of seven GBC members to meet with Lokanath Swami as soon as possible. The GBC also arranged for the young girl to be interviewed, first by a female devotee whom the girl knew and trusted, and then by another female devotee who was a mental health professional in the field of child molestation.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">The GBC committee had immediately suspended Lokanath Swami from initiating further disciples and restricted his movements while it undertook a complete investigation.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">This is what the GBC committee found out: In 1990, while Lokanath Swami was leading the world-wide "Padayatra" program, he had suffered a broken leg. While convalescing with his right leg in a cast, he stayed for about seven days with a devotee family in America. During his sojourn, Lokanath Swami was frequently pressed by the father of the family to administer spiritual instruction and discipline to his children, especially to the youngest child, an eleven-year-old girl. During the course of Lokanath Swami's interactions with the girl, the incidents occurred that the girl later reported.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">She reported that Lokanath Swami sometimes sat uncomfortably close to her, when, for example, teaching her to play harmonium. Sometimes he would praise her by patting her and saying "Very good." One morning, Lokanath Swami, who had been especially charged by the father with the task of getting the girl up on time, noticed that the girl was tardy. While chanting in his room, Lokanath Swami saw the girl in the room directly opposite his. In spite of the late hour, she was still wearing the long T-shirt that she used as a nightgown, and she was upset that he saw her. When he told her to go take her shower, she ran into her closet to hid from him. He made her come out, and as she ran past him, he said, "Go and take your shower!" and swatted her with his hand.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">However, the incident that most distressed the girl took place one morning in the living-room. The two sat close together on a couch reading from a volume of the Krsna book, with Lokanath Swami's servant going in and out of the room and the girl's mother cooking in the adjoining kitchen. As they sat reading together, Lokanath Swami's hand touched and</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">moved across the girl's upper thigh over her clothing. The psychologists who evaluated this matter had no doubt that the girl had undergone a disturbing and even traumatizing experience. When questioned, Lokanath Swami could recognize the various individual episodes that had caused her disturbance, and he confessed to the emergence in himself, during the incident of reading together, of shameful feelings. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">In order to help determine the proper disposition of this case, the GBC sent Lokanath Swami to CAP Behavior Associates, Inc., a group of mental health professional that specializes in evaluating and treating clergy (from a variety of religious traditions) implicated in child molestation. The beginning of their written report outlines their procedure:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">"The following is a summary of our evaluation of Swami Lokanath and is provided per the request of the patient in accord with the wishes of the Governing Body Commission of Isk[c]on. The evaluation was conducted over a two day period (6/25/93 & 6/26/93) and consisted of multiple clinical interviews (complete mental status, psychosocial and Psychosexual histories), the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory II, the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory II, the Assault Knowledge Inventory, and the Rorschach Inkblot Test."</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">The CAP Behavior Associates team also received a report from the psychotherapist who had interviewed the victim. After the evaluation was completed, members of CAP team met personally with some members of the GBC, explained their findings and answered questions. The following are their major findings:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">1. Lokanath Swami is not a pedophile. He presents no danger to children. </span> </div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">2. Although the girl was young, she had begun the transition to womanhood,</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">and Lokanath Swami did not sexually relate to her presence as that of a child.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">3. Lokanath Swami had been brought up in a way that kept him entirely innocent of the experience of sexuality. He had not undergone the normal (or, at any rate, western) adolescent struggle of coming to grips with sexuality and sexual feelings. Thus, when he found himself put into close association with this young girl, some sexual feelings</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US"> unexpectedly arose, but these feelings were new to him, and he did not know exactly how to acknowledge them or cope with them. The normal, reflexive restraints and inhibitions that experience would have established in him were not in place, and he yielded, momentarily, to impulse, and thus acted in a transgressive manner.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">4. Certain circumstances conspired to disassociate Lokanath Swami from his usual sense of himself and his normal behavior and to make him unusually vulnerable. First, his leg was broken, a serious disability for one's whose main service and raison d'être was Padayatra, walking. Second, his immobility confined him for a prolonged period to an unfamiliar domestic atmosphere, full with family interactions and emotions. Third, the strong desire of the father for Lokanath Swami to administer discipline and instruction to the girl also drove him into closer association with a female than he would ordinarily venture. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">5. The episodes offensive to the girl were therefore anomalous, brought about by a highly "unusual concatenation of circumstances." They arose fortuitously, and with a minimum of precautions, such occasions should be easy to avoid in the future. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">6. Lokanath Swami's entire identity and sense of self is built upon his role as a religious leader, and it is a role to which his personality is exceptionally well-suited. Given the unique conditions that prompted the episodes, and given the fact that there is no reason</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">to expect such episodes to occur again, Lokanath Swami should remain in his role as a religious leader. (However, this does not negate the girl legitimate feelings of violation and abuse.)</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Having received this evaluation, the GBC committee had to make a decision. It's conclusion, arrived at after much discussion, was that Lokanath Swami's fault quite exactly exemplified what Srila Prabhupada termed an "accidental" mistake (B.G. 9. 30-31). Lokanath Swami's transgression was not planned or premeditated. It was, to use Prabhupada's terminology, unconscious, not willful, unknowing. (See for example, the conversation of May 10, 1969, in Columbus, Ohio and the morning walk of January 9, 1976 in Madras.)</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">First, the stage was set by the highly "unusual concatenation of circumstances": a broken leg, an overlong stay in a householder's dwelling, the obligation to the father to have dealings with the girl, and so on, all of which together operated to put Lokanath Swami in a vulnerable state.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Second, Lokanath Swami's own inexperienced condition, his unusual sexual innocence or naivete, meant that at the age of forty Lokanath Swami was suddenly ambushed by feeling he had never dealt with before, and which he consequently had trouble acknowledging and controlling effectively. Whenever Prabhupada discussed such an accidental mistake, he referred to the sudden reappearance of a discontinued bad habit. Lokanath Swami case was a little different: there was not even the underlying traces of a former habit. Hence, in his case, it was a mistake that was highly unlikely to happen again.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">He was found to be neither a pedophile nor a sexual aggressor. At the same time the action was anomalous, circumstantial, and not indicative of future behavior. Furthermore, the GBC could recognize the truth of the psychologists' assessment that Lokanath Swami was eminently suited to his role as a spiritual leader and guide, and that not allowing him to act in that capacity would be utterly devastating to his personal identity, his sense of himself.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">For these reasons, the GBC committee decided his suspension from giving initiations would remain in effect only until Gaura Purnima of 1996. Thus for two and a half years he performed no initiations. By the time he began to initiate again, more than five years would have gone by since the incident in America.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Two further stipulations were added to underscore the seriousness of his breach of conduct and to help him atone for his offense to the girl:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Lokanath Swami was asked to spend at least two months in Vrindavan in a mood of repentance, praying to Prabhupada and Krishna for forgiveness. He did this, and he reports that he continues to repent. In addition, he was directed to seek forgiveness from the victim herself. This he did also, first in writing and later in person, offering his obeisances to the girl in the presence of a family member. In 1997, Lokanath Swami's leading disciples were also informed of the incident, and , in consultation with the GBC, guidelines were established for informing prospective initiates of Lokanath Swami's transgression and its resolution. These guidelines were applied according to time, place, and circumstance.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">The major misgivings of the committee is that word of this event would eventually leak out, and inevitably become exaggerated; Lokanath Swami reputation would be sullied, and the GBC would be accused of "covering up for a pedophile." Although acutely aware of this likely prospect, the GBC committee felt it to be unprincipled to destroy Lokanath Swami's life and service merely for the sake of expediency. The committee also recalled that Prabhupada had himself exercise a policy of trying to protect the reputation of erring leaders so that they could rectify themselves and continue to service the movement. On several occasions when a sannyasi had a falldown and the fact was embellished and broadcast by scandalized gossip, Prabhupada became angry. Although no one ever accused Prabhupada of a "cover-up," the committee members realized that if they perpetuated Prabhupada's same policy in the current milieu, they would be so accused. Nevertheless, according to the teachings and practices established by Srila Prabhupada, Lokanath Swami's sole accidental mistake did not disqualify him from his service, provided he recognized his fault and took every necessary step to atone for it and rectify himself. And this he did. Given this situation, we are issuing this veridical account of the 1990 incident and of the GBC's manner of dealing with it. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Appended here is the conclusion of the report on Lokanath Swami submitted by CAP Behavior Associates., New York, NY, dated July 1, 1993:</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">"Thus, given the above detailed character and personality analyses we do not believe that Swami Lokanath suffers from any paraphiliac condition and does not pose a danger of overt sexual violence toward women and children. These findings do not negate the fact that he acted in a clearly inappropriate manner or that the girl who was a recipient of thee</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">acts may have experienced many traumatic sequelae common to victims of sexual abuse. We believe that Lokanath's actions were not consciously planned but resulted from his own lack of any experience of the intimacy and/or sexuality and the internalized awareness of boundaries which such experiences provide. This dearth of experiential knowledge would have been compensated had Lokanath adhered strictly to the tenets of his religious beliefs about the proper boundaries to be observed by males with a females. However, Lokanath found himself in a very unique setting which evoked feelings of early family ties coupled with feelings of vulnerability due to his physical limitations and took him briefly out of his usual sense of himself as defined by his religious persona. In order to best assure that such a set of circumstances could not reoccur we strongly suggest that Swami Lokanath not allow himself to be alone with a woman or child, that he continue his religious works of service as they are absolutely necessary for maintenance of a healthy sense of himself in the world, that he not spend more than one day/night with any one family while travelling, and that he seek the on-going support of his colleagues via communications with him during his travels. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US"> [Signed:]</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Ken Cullen, C.S.W.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US"> Christina Casals-Ariet, M.D., J.D.,</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang="EN-US">Vera Beato-Smith, Ph.D."</span></div></blockquote></blockquote><a href="http://www.guardioes.com/pedofilia.htm">http://www.guardioes.com/pedofilia.htm</a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-47628164845642408542010-11-24T02:25:00.000-08:002010-11-24T02:25:41.240-08:00JUDAS DISCIPLES<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="AutoNumber6" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 766px;"><tbody>
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<tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#000000" height="226" rowspan="4" valign="top" width="440"><div class="MsoNormal"><b> <span style="color: yellow; font-family: Arial Black; font-size: large;">THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT</span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal"><b> <span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black; font-size: large;">TORTURED AND POISONED </span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal"><b> <span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black; font-size: large;">"TO DEATH" </span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal"><b> <span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black; font-size: large;">BY HIS JUDAS DISCIPLES</span></b></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black; font-size: medium;">(Agents of the Sinister Illuminati)<br />
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the world-famous saint, </span></span> <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">cultural ambassador, </span></span> <span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">scholar, social reformer and founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, (I.S.K.CON), warned in a letter dated September 1970 that <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/sinister_movement.htm"> <span style="color: yellow;">“</span></a></span></span><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/sinister_movement.htm"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"><span style="color: yellow; font-size: x-small;">the great sinister movement [Illuminati] is within our Society</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: yellow;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;">.”</span></span><span style="color: yellow; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%; text-decoration: none;"> </span> </span></a><span style="font-size: x-small;"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> In 1977 he was held in a small room and slowly tortured and poisoned “to death” by the agents of this sinister movement, as the tape transcriptions in this document conclusively prove. </span> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">Srila Prabhupada continued translating his transcendental books up to the point of his death. Although he was personally being disturbed by these demons, still, he was merciful to the general people, who are suffering for want of Krishna consciousness. Even up to the point of death, Srila Prabhupada was trying to preach Krishna consciousness. In fact his only concern was that all the people of this planet should receive the highest perfection of life namely Love of Krishna (God). So Srila Prabhupada truly manifested the symptoms of a Saint on the topmost level of self realization. On one side he was tolerant of his own sufferings and on the other side he was merciful. </span></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">After Srila Prabhupada’s physical departure these Judas disciples immediately took complete control of I.S.K.CON, it’s wealth and resources, which were intended for spreading love of Krishna. Whilst falsely declaring themselves Srila Prabhupada’s successors, they and their followers performed countless atrocious acts, including child molestation. Those who stood against them were forced out or even murdered. </span></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">This sinister movement masquerading as I.S.K.CON has been threatened to be sued for $400,000,000 by some of their victims, who were subjected to child abuse whilst at schools originally set up by Srila Prabhupada to teach the children the message of pure love of God, as proclaimed in the Vedic scriptures. </span></span> <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">Evidence used in the court case has been distorted to divert the blame on to Srila Prabhupada both by the criminals (to avoid justice) and by the victims lawyers (to gain the greatest financial rewards)</span></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 14pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">We have compiled this </span></span> <span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;">pamphlet</span></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> in order to protect Srila Prabhupada’s spotless character and to make it clear to the public, that this cult is not the pure Hare Krishna movement founded by him, but rather a group of envious impostors in the dress of devotees. These impostors have completely neglected Srila Prabhupada’s guidance on every level, particularly in regards to protecting children. </span></span></div><div align="justify" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">If you are interested in learning more about these issues and the genuine Hare Krishna movement then you are welcome to <a href="mailto:prabhupada_sankirtana_society@yahoo.co.uk">contact us</a> </span></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">We are fighting to keep the Hare Krishna movement going on with Srila Prabhupada in the centre. We are printing his original transcendental books which are now being changed by the members of this cult, against Srila Prabhupada’s order. </span></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; line-height: 100%;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">Every Sunday we are holding a festival of chanting and dancing and serve out a free sumptuous vegetarian feast. There is also a lecture given by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on the science of self realisation and Bhakti Yoga, followed by a philosophical discussion. You are welcome to come along with your friends and experience the transcendental festival. HARE KRISHNA ! </span></span></div><div align="justify" class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" height="525" src="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/poison.jpg" width="417" /></div><table border="2" bordercolordark="#FF0000" bordercolorlight="#FF0000" cellspacing="1" height="133" id="table5"><tbody>
<tr> <td bordercolordark="#FF0000" bordercolorlight="#FF0000" height="128" width="100%"><div align="justify"><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;">Left: His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.</span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;"> </span><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;">Behind (left) is the chief culprit Tamal Krishna a.k.a. Thomas Hertzhog who</span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;"> </span><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;">worked with other pseudo-Krishna cult leaders to poison Srila Prabhupada to "death".</span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;"> </span> </div><div align="justify"><span style="color: white; font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size: x-small;">Note Srila Prabhupada's swollen hands and sun glasses [sensitive to light], the effects of the arsenic poisoning.</span></div></td> </tr>
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<div align="left"><b><span style="background-color: red;"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/evidence.htm"> <span style="color: white;">1. </span></a> </span> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/evidence.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;">THE EVIDENCE - SRILA PRABHUPADA'S OWN STATEMENTS REGARDING HIS POISONING</span></a></span><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"><u><span style="background-color: red;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/evidence.htm"><span style="color: white;"> </span></a> </span> </span> </u></span></b></div><div align="left"><b><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/tolerant.htm"> <span style="background-color: red;"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">2. </span> </span> </a></span> <span style="background-color: red;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/tolerant.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;">SRILA PRABHUPADA TOLERANT OF HIS OWN SUFFERINGS AND MERCIFUL TO THE PEOPLE</span></a></span></span></b></div><div align="left"><b><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/death.htm"> <span style="background-color: red;"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">3. </span> </span> </a></span> <span style="background-color: red;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/death.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;">THE POWER OF DEATH HAD NO INFLUENCE OVER SRILA PRABHUPADA</span></a></span></span></b></div><div align="left"><b> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/disappears.htm"> <span style="background-color: red;"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">4. </span> </span> </a></span> <span style="background-color: red;"> <span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/disappears.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;">AFTER SRILA PRABHUPADA DISAPPEARS ROGUES AND NON-DEVOTEES INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES</span></a></span></span></b></div><div align="left"><b><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"> <span style="background-color: red;"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/illuminati_whispers.htm"><span style="color: white;">5. </span></a> </span> </span> </span></b> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/illuminati_whispers.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> VIDEO - FORENSICALLY TESTED TAPES FIND SINISTER WHISPERS OF THE JUDAS DISCIPLES IN THE ACT OF POISONING SRILA PRABHUPADA</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/arsenic.htm"> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white;">6. </span> </span> </a> </span> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/arsenic.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">20 TIMES HIGHER THAN NORMAL ARSENIC LEVELS FOUND IN SRILA PRABHUPADA’S HAIR SAMPLES</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/books.htm"> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white;">7. </span> </span> </a> </span> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/books.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS ABOUT CHANGING HIS BOOKS</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/children.htm"> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white;">8. </span> </span> </a> </span> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/children.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS ABOUT THE HARE KRISHNA CHILDREN</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/george.htm"> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white;">9. </span> </span> </a> </span> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/george.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">GEORGE HARRISON (EX– BEATLE) SPEAKS ABOUT SRILA PRABHUPADA.</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/peace.htm"> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white;">10. </span> </span> </a> </span> <span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; line-height: 100%;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/peace.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">THE PEACE FORMULA</span></a></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"> <span style="background-color: red; font-weight: 700; text-decoration: underline;">11. </span> </span> <b><span style="background-color: red;"><span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/paul/prabhupada_poisoned.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">Srila Prabhupada<br />
'Bedside Conversations 1977'</span></a></span></span></b></div><div align="left"><span style="background-color: red;"><b> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"> <span style="text-decoration: none;"> <span style="color: white;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poisoned_reverse.htm"> <span style="color: white;">12. </span> </a></span></span></span></b></span><b> <span style="color: white; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"> <span style="background-color: red;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poisoned_reverse.htm"><span style="color: white;"> VIDEO - PRABHUPADA POISONED. A REVERSE SPEECH STUDY</span></a></span></span></b></div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><b><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poison_says.htm"><span style="color: white;"> <span style="background-color: red;">13. </span></span></a> </span> <span style="text-decoration: none;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poison_says.htm"><span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <span style="background-color: red;">VIDEO - "Someone says that I've been poisoned." </span> </span> </a> </span></b></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"><b> <span style="color: white;"><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poisoned_me.htm"> <span style="color: white;"><span style="background-color: red;">14. </span> </span></a></span> <span style="text-decoration: none;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/poisoned_me.htm"><span style="color: white;"> <span style="background-color: red;">VIDEO - "Someone has poisoned me."</span></span></a></span></b></span></div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><b><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/save_killer.htm"> <span style="background-color: red;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">15. VIDEO - PRABHUPADA TRIES TO SAVE HIS KILLER! </span></span></a></b></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/killers_bury.htm"><span style="color: white;">16. </span></a></span><span style="text-decoration: none;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/killers_bury.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">VIDEO - KILLERS BURY PRABHUPADA'S BODY but HE LIVES FOREVER!</span></a></span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/crocodile_tears.htm"><span style="color: white;">17. </span></a></span><span style="text-decoration: none;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/crocodile_tears.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">VIDEO - Prabhupada Departs Surrounded by Crocodile Tears</span></a></span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="background-color: red; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: 700;"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/mercy_tolerance.htm"><span style="color: white;">18. </span></a></span><span style="text-decoration: none;"> <a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/articles1/mercy_tolerance.htm"> <span style="color: white; font-size: x-small;">VIDEO - PRABHUPADA is TOLERANT and MERCIFUL under ILLUMINATI TORTURE </span></a></span></span></div></td> </tr>
<tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffff66" bordercolor="#FFFF66" height="56" valign="top" width="312"><div><div align="left"><b style="font-style: italic; font-weight: 400;"> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Srila Prabhupada:</span></b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><b style="font-weight: 400;"> </b><b>Someone says that I've been poisoned. </b> <b>It is possible.</b> <b style="font-weight: 400;"> </b></span></div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><i>Doctor:</i> What is he saying?<b> </b></span></div><div align="left"><b style="font-style: italic; font-weight: 400;"> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Srila Prabhupada: </span></b> <b> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Someone says that someone has given poison.</span></b><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><b> </b></span> </i></div><div align="left"><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Doctor: </span> </i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">To whom?</span></div><div align="left"><b style="font-style: italic; font-weight: 400;"> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Srila Prabhupada:</span></b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><b style="font-weight: 400;"> </b><b>To me.</b></span></div><div align="left"><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;">(Room Conversation November 9, 1977, Vrndavana )</span></i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"> </span></div><div><div align="left"><b style="font-style: italic; font-weight: 400;"> <span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Srila Prabhupada:</span></b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><b style="font-weight: 400;"> </b>That same thing …that <b>someone </b><b>has</b><b> poisoned me</b>.</span><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> </span></i></div><div align="left"><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;">(Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana)</span></i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: x-small;"> </span> </div></div></div><div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <b style="font-style: italic; font-weight: 400;">Srila Prabhupada:</b><b style="font-weight: 400;"> T</b>hat is my only request, that at the last stage <span style="font-weight: bold;">don't torture me and put to death.</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">(Room Conversation November 3, 1977, Vrndavana)</span></span></span></div></div></td> </tr>
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</tbody></table><a href="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/index.html"> <img border="0" height="40" src="http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/navigation-home.gif" width="75" /></a></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-58291765058646376602010-08-19T11:22:00.001-07:002010-08-19T11:22:59.170-07:00ALGUMAS DAS RAZÕES PORQUE A ISKCON ERRA EM SUAS CRITICAS A SRILA GURUDEVA<small></small><br /> <center><img src="http://www.purebhakti.com/images/stories/historical/new-prabhupada.jpg" alt="Srila Prabhupada" /><img src="http://www.purebhakti.com/images/stories/historical/big-gurudeva.jpg" alt="Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Goswami Maharaja" /></center><br />Caros devotos nos últimos 14 anos Srila Gurudeva Narayana Maharaj vem viajando e pregando por todo o planeta. Muitas críticas e ataques de todo tipo vieram da liderança da ISKCON, contra a pessoa de Srila Gurudeva.12 anos atrás quando recebi a misericórdia sem causa de Srila Gurudeva as criticas eram extremamente duras e injustas. Hoje um pouco menos porem fica sempre no ar estas mentiras e ofensas. <p>É certo que Srila Prabhupada em seus livros criticou a Guadiya Math, porém para os que desconhecem a historia da Gaudiya math e de Srila Prabhupada, ele jamais podia estar se referindo a Srila Gurudeva Narayana Maharaja nestas críticas e advertências sobre a Gaudiya Matha.</p> <p>E para provar isto como uma verdade irrefutável vamos narrar um resumo histórico de ambos.</p> <p>Alem do fato histórico de que em seu leito antes de partir deste mundo Srila Prabhupada pediu que chamassem seus irmãos espirituais para que ele pedisse desculpas de suas críticas. Apenas alguns devotos não muito proeminentes estavam em Vrindvana naquela época e, portanto o Vaisnava mais sênior que recebeu as suas desculpas para que fosse transmitida aos seus irmãos espirituais era seu siksa discípulo Srila Narayana maharaj. Ao ouvir de Srila Prabhupada que pedisse aos seus irmãos desculpas, Srila Narayna Maharaja com a voz tremula disse , “Por favor, Srila Prabhupada não nos envergonhem dessa maneira pois o estrondoso sucesso de sua missão esta acima de qualquer coisa e que todos reconhecem isto”.</p> <p>A Gaudiya matha foi fundada no começo do século 20 na Índia, Seu fundador foi Srila Baktissidanta Sarasvati Thakur, um poderoso devoto do Senhor que levou a missão de seu pai, Srila Bhaktivinda Thakur, de restaurar a posição dos Gaudiya Vaisnavas ao seu total esplendor.</p> <p>Mesmo na Índia do fim século 19, antes de Srila Bhaktivinda Thakur, o Gaudiya Vaisnavismo não era levado nada a sério e era inclusive rejeitada como parte da herança espiritual da Índia pela maior parte de sua população. Isto devido a ela ter sido distorcida e mal representada por seitas ilegítimas com falsos dogmas e comportamentos inadequados.</p> <p>Foi nesta situação de descrédito que Srila Bhaltivinoda Thakura introduziu o seu trabalho literário retirado dos velhos manuscritos deixados pelos verdadeiros seguidores de Sri Gaurasundara, o Avatar Dourado de Krishna que veio a este mundo em 1486 na India. O nome Gaudiya deriva do fato de que a linha filosófica que os Gaudiya Vaisnavas praticam veio do Senhor Sri Gaurasundara que adveio a este mundo em Gauda desa, ou hoje em dia Bengala ocidental.</p> <p>Continuando a obra de seu pai, a missão “Gaudiya Matha” de Srila Bhatissidanta estabeleceu na Índia uma verdadeira revolução aonde o Gaudiya Vaisnavismo encontrou seu pináculo de glória, milhões de almas se converteram, centenas de templos e centros de pregação foram abertos, inclusive em Londres e milhões de livros foram publicados e distribuídos.</p> <p>Quando Srila Bhatissidanta Sarasvati Thakura deixou este mundo, ele deixou uma ordem muito clara, por não ver naquele momento em nenhum de seus discípulos a capacidade de ser um Acharya (líder espiritual que lidera pela conduta exemplar e completa realização espiritual) ele ordenou que se formasse um corpo de discípulos que ele chamou de “GBC” para levar a frente sua missão.</p> <p>Desobedecendo a sua ordem uma facção de discípulos elegeu um saniase muito influente para ocupar o cargo de Acharya. Como já se podia prever o infortunio caiu sobre esta desobediência, e tal Acharya se corrompeu e abandonou a posição de saniase (renunciante).</p> <p>Neste momento o fogo já previsto por Srila Bhatissidhanta Saraswati iniciou em sua sociedade e ela se fragmentou em inúmeras partes perdendo a força que a sociedade unida possuía. Uma destas facções foi a que rejeitou a ordem deixada por Srila Bhatissidanta, esta facção ficou com a maior parte da riqueza e propriedades da Gaudiya Matha.</p> <p>Porem outra facção foi a dos que queriam obedecer à ordem de Srila Bhatissidanta, e nesta se encontrava Abhay Caranavinda, que seria conhecido no futuro como Srila A. C. Bhaktivendanta Swami Maharaj, Srila Prabhupada que fundou a grandiosa missão da ISKCON levando os Santos nomes de Krishna para todos os cantos do mundo.</p> <p>Para deixar bem claro a quem Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami se referia quando ele falava da Gaudiya matha é que o resumo acima foi narrado. Ele sempre se posicionou como seguidor da ordem de Srila Bhaktissidanta e sempre se opôs aos que a desobedeceram.</p> <p>Em um dos vários esforços para pregar na India Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada na época ainda chamado de Abhay Caranaravinda se juntou a outro irmão espiritual, Srila Bhatiprajna Kesava Goswami e juntos fundaram a sociedade chamada de “Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti”, foi à esta mesma sociedade que alguns anos depois Srila Narayana Maharaj se entregou de corpo e alma. Foi ali mesmo que ele se encontrou pela primeira vez com Abhay Caranavinda, que ainda era um chefe de família.</p> <p>Anos mais tarde já no Ocidente Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami escreveu em uma carta a Srila Narayana Maharaj que deste o primeiro encontro nasceu entre eles uma relação transcendental igual a que havia nascido entre ele e seu mestre espiritual, Srila Bhatisidanta, em seu primeiro encontro.</p> <p>Complementando, foi Srila Narayana Maharaja que oficiou a cerimônia de iniciação de saniase de Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami, foi Srila Narayana Mahaja que todos os dias ia visitar Srila A.C. Bhativedanta Swami no templo de Radha Damodara enquanto ele estava ali hospedado trabalhando na tradução do Srimad Bhagavatam e compondo outros livros, foi Srila Narayan Maharaja o único a levar Srila A.C .bhaktivedanta Swami ao Navio Jaladuta quando ele zarpou rumo aos EUA.<br />Foi a Srila Narayana Maharaj que Srila Prabhupada pedia que enviasse da india as primeiras mrdangas , karatalas e deidades .foi Srila Narayana Maharaja o único a ir buscar Srila A.C. Bhativedanta Swami no aeroporto em Nova Deli quando este regressou após um ano na América. E finalmente foi a Srila Narayana Maharaja que Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami pediu que prometesse que continuaria a ensinar a seus discípulos, que ainda eram apenas iniciantes na escola de Bhakti, a como se tornarem verdadeiros Vaisnavas.</p> <p>Atendendo a este pedido de Srila Prabhupada que Srila Narayana Maharaj sempre recebeu toda liderança da ISKCON e instruía a todos até o ano de 1996 quando foi impedido por esta mesma liderança de pregar dentro da ISKCON.<br />Somente para continuar cumprindo sua promessa que ele começou a viajar pelo ocidente a convite de muitos discípulos de Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.</p> <p>E por fim foi a Srila Narayana Maharaja que Srila Prabhupada confiou a missão de colocá-lo em seu tumulo Samadhi.</p> <p>A respeito disto se os críticos de Srila Narayana Maharaja pensam que é algo ordinário colocar o corpo transcendental de um devoto puro em seu Samadhi recomendariamos que vissem o exemplo dado por Srila Bhaktissidanta Sarasvati Takura .</p> <p>Ao saber que seu mestre Gaurakisora dasa Babaji tinha deixado este mundo, ele imediatamente se apressou vindo de muito longe ao local onde vários devotos estavam disputamdo o corpo de Srila Gaurakisora dasa babaji para seus templos com intenção de lucrarem com a fama do samadhi de uma grande alma.</p> <p>Srila Bhatisidanta reclamando para si o direito de colocar seu mestre em seu samadhi, se opôs dizendo que ali ele era o único discípulo de Babaji maharaj e que sua conduta e castidade eram impecáveis.</p> <p>Com a relutância dos outros pretendentes Srila Bhaktissidanta disse:<br />“Se alguém aqui passou os últimos 30 dias,” então corrigiu, “a ultima semana,” então corrigiu mais um vez, “o ultimo dia sem praticar sexo ilícito que então poderia pegar o corpo de Gaurakisora e ele não se oporia.”<br />Então a policia que estava ali guardando a disputa perguntou, “mas como esta pessoa provara isto?”<br />Srila Bhaktisidanta respondeu - “eu aceitarei a palavra dele pois se alguém que não for puro tocar no corpo de Gaurakisora ele terá sua vida arruinada”, neste momento todos debandaram.</p> <p>Desta maneira não é possível criticar nem levantar qualquer suspeita sobre o relacionamento de Srila Narayana Maharaja e Srila Prabhupada sem estar cometendo seriíssima Vaisnava Aparadha, ou ofensa aos pés de lótus de um devoto puro e muito querido amigo de Srila Prabhupada!</p> <p>Este desafortunado servo de Srila Gurudeva pede humildemente que todos aqueles que já se envolveram em tais ofensas ofereçam humildes reverencias a Srila Narayana maharaj e se desculpem de suas ofensas para que também não tenham suas vidas arruinadas.</p> <p>Mukundananda dasa</p>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-47427589905979907642010-08-19T01:44:00.000-07:002010-08-19T01:45:32.922-07:00mp3 VARTMA CANDRIKA Conversations with Srila Gurudeva and ISKCON GBC<div class="widget Image" id="Image2"> <div class="widget-content"> <img alt="" id="Image2_img" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IH07og3TWX0/TBw2W-8xQVI/AAAAAAAAEOI/UJAU2vM-EuE/S250/gurudeva.aspx" width="250" height="194" /><br /></div> <span class="widget-item-control"> <span class="item-control blog-admin"> <a class="quickedit" href="rearrange?blogID=3503718564326648111&widgetType=Image&widgetId=Image2&action=editWidget" onclick="'return" target="configImage2" title="Editar"> <img alt="" src="http://img1.blogblog.com/img/icon18_wrench_allbkg.png" width="18" height="18" /> </a> </span> </span> </div><div class="widget LinkList" id="LinkList1"> <div class="widget-content"> <ul><li><a href="http://sbnmcd.org/mp3/00007RAG%20VARTMA%20CANDRIKA%20Conversations%20with%20Srila%20Gurudeva%20and%20ISKCON%20GBC/">mp3 VARTMA CANDRIKA Conversations with Srila Gurudeva and ISKCON GBC</a></li></ul> <span class="widget-item-control"> <span class="item-control blog-admin"> <a class="quickedit" href="rearrange?blogID=3503718564326648111&widgetType=LinkList&widgetId=LinkList1&action=editWidget" onclick="'return" target="configLinkList1" title="Editar"> <img alt="" src="http://img1.blogblog.com/img/icon18_wrench_allbkg.png" width="18" height="18" /> </a> </span> </span> </div> </div> <pre><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span><img style="margin-right: 0.5em; 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Ver mais<br />Att: Secretary<br />Dear Sir:<br />Kindly accept my humble obeisances. I beg to enclose herewith a copy of a letter received from my Godbrother, Dr. Syama Sundardas Brahmacari, of your Mission. Taking the concluding portion of his letter inviting me to cooperate with the Gaudiya Mission in the matter of my activities of spreading the objective of Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja, I am prepared to cooperate with the Gaudiya Mission in all respects, but I do not know under what condition you wish to cooperate with me. But I am prepared to accept any condition for getting your cooperation in full. So I shall be glad to know from you under what condition our cooperation is possible. But I am prepared in every respect and I shall await your reply with interest.<br />So far as my starting a separate organization known as International Society for Krishna Consciousness, it was inevitable because none of our godbrothers are cooperating with one another. Every one of us is conducting his own institution, and there is difference of opinion even between Gaudiya Mission and Gaudiya Math.<br />So if it is now possible to combine ourselves together, I shall be the first man to welcome this good opportunity. But apart from others, if Gaudiya Mission is prepared to cooperate with me, I am prepared to accept this cooperation in any condition. Please therefore let me know your terms of cooperation, and I shall be very glad to consider it. It has been suggested by Dr. Syama Sundardas Brahmacari that we cooperate at least in London, and I shall be glad to know your terms of cooperation.<br />Thanking you in anticipation for your early reply.<br />Sincerely yours,<br />A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami<br /><br />Srila Prabhupada says he is prepared to accept any condition for getting your co-operation in full. This is the true Spirit of Srila Prabhupada and the same spirit that has been demonstrated by Srila Gurudeva. Therefor it 100% clear that they are in the same line. Srila Prabhupada says if it is possible to combine ourselves together I shall be the first man to welcome this good opportunity. Srila Prabhupada says he will be first not that we should not go but we should run to willingly co-operate and preach together. This is the proper mood.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7823702675833300374.post-69762837653924885052010-05-22T14:05:00.001-07:002010-05-22T14:05:46.584-07:00Four Discussions on Raga-Vartma-Candrika (Part 1)<h3 class="post-title entry-title"> <a href="http://jornalharekrsnabrasil.blogspot.com/2010/05/discussions-on-raga-vartma-candrika-how.html">Discussions on Raga-Vartma-Candrika: How to Enter Raganuga-bhakti</a> </h3> <div class="post-header"> </div> <p><br /></p><p>Four Discussions on <strong>Raga-Vartma-Candrika</strong> (Part 1)<br />Mathura, India: 1991</p> <p>Re-posted from<a href="http://jornalharekrsnabrasil.blogspot.com/2010/05/www.purebhakti.com"> www.purebhakti.com</a></p> <p>[In the early 1990s, Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja used to give darsanas for several members of the ISKCON GBC. During these few years, they requested him to discuss several Gaudiya Vaisnava literatures, such as Jaiva-dharma, Srimad-Bhagavatam Tenth Canto (Rasa-lila, Venu-gita, Brahmara-gita, and Gopi-gita) Harinama-cintamani, Vilapa-kusumanjali, and Raga-vartma-candrika.</p> <p>In 1991, he led four discussions on Raga-vartma-candrika. Below is the first in that series, and we hope to send you the rest, one after another. As you may know, Srila Maharaja has requested that all his morning walks and darsanas be published, and he directed that these darsanas for the members of the ISKCON GBC be included:]</p> <p><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1194" title="rvc-post-srila-gurudeva" src="http://backtobhakti.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/rvc-post-srila-gurudeva.jpg" alt="" width="273" height="372" />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> You said that today you would be speaking on Raga-vartma-candrika. You said you would be giving a synopsis; a summary.</p> <p><strong>Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Before beginning Raga-vartma-candrika, we first pray to our Gurudeva, Sri Srimad Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, and to Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja, then to Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, and then to the author, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura. We earnestly beg that their mercy comes to us, especially the mercy of Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura.</p> <p>In this Raga Vartma Candrika, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura tells us what he has realized about Sri Sri Radha-Krsna’s anuraga by the grace of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Srila Rupa Gosvami. Anuraga refers to that stage of prema which comes just before mahabhava. Within prema comes sneha, then mana, pranaya, raga, and then anuraga.*[See Endnote 1]</p> <p>The author states, “I am writing something for those persons – those very lucky persons – who have greed for this raga*[See Endnote 2] but can find no path to enter for achieving it. This book serves as their guide, like a moonbeam (candrika), to shed light on the path (vartma) leading to the loving devotion of the residents of Goloka Vrndavana (raga). This path is very rare in the world.</p> <p>During the Amavasya, dark-moon, night there is no moon; it is so very dark. There is a very narrow pathway, but it is not seen. If there would be a moon, that moon would give rays of light so that the path can be seen. This book is the candrika (moonbeam) which casts its light on raga and the path leading to raga. It is therefore called Raga-vartma-candrika.</p> <p>We should know that this pathway is a very, very narrow one, meant only for a few, rare, highly-qualified persons; it is not for everyone. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura advises that others not read this book.</p> <p>However, there is no worldly qualification required to enter this path; the only qualification is lobha, or transcendental greed. It is stated in Bhagavad-gita, “Api cet sudaracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak.” A man may be full of anarthas (undesirable habits and thoughts); but if he takes the association of a raganuga-bhakta and under his guidance reads the Tenth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, he may become attracted and acquire a very deep greed to have the same transcendental mood as the Vrajavasis. He may be attracted to sakhya-rasa (friendship with Krsna), vatsalya-rasa (parental love for Him), or madhurya-rasa (a relationship with Him as a beloved). Simply by faithfully hearing Srimad-Bhagavatam’s descriptions of the moods of the gopis, or those of Krsna’s father and mother, or those of Krsna’s friends, one may begin to yearn to experience in his heart the same moods as theirs.</p> <p>It may be noted, however, that Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura is not describing sakhya and vatsalya-bhava in Raga-vartma-candrika; he is presenting only gopi-bhava. In that regard, in order to attain that bhava, one will especially hear from a raganuga-bhakta the portions of the Tenth Canto discussing Krsna’s relationship with the gopis, namely Gopi-gita, Yugala-Gita, Bhramara-Gita, Pranaya-gita, and Venu-gita.</p> <p>One who has samskaras (impressions in the heart) from having taken proper association in his previous births will be able to cultivate greed and achieve gopi-bhava by reading sastra; he will not have to rely on sastric logic to convince him. For such a person, this treatise will be the candrika for discovering the path of raganuga.</p> <p>The author first explains that there are two kinds of sraddha (faith) – vaidhi and raganuga – which result in two kinds of bhakti – vaidhi-bhakti and raganuga-bhakti. Both types of sraddha are achieved through the association of qualified Vaisnavas. Where entrance in bhakti is impelled by fear, where it is induced by the injunctions of sastra that instruct everyone to perform bhakti to Krsna, otherwise they will go to hell – this is called vaidhi-bhakti.</p> <p>In this way one may enter bhakti by fear; or, one may be impelled by the order of sastra which is based on yukti, reasoning. For example, sastra has ordered:</p> <p><em>sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhoksaje<br />ahaituky apratihata yayatma suprasidati</em></p> <p>["The highest pursuit for all humanity is suddha-bhakti – bhakti performed in order to please Krsna, the transcendent Lord Adhoksaja, by all one’s efforts of body, mind, and soul. Such uttama-bhakti is continuously performed without any personal desire (anyabhilasita-sunyam) and without any break. In this way one can fully satisfy the self (atma)." (Srimad-Bhagavatam, 1.2.6)]</p> <p>By hearing such instructions, many people enter bhakti, and such bhakti is called vaidhi-bhakti.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> This is vaidhi-bhakti.</p> <p><strong>Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> And, that bhakti which is based only on genuine greed is called raganuga-bhakti. Such greed is generated by hearing the pastimes of Krsna and the gopis described in Srimad-Bhagavatam, by reading the books of the Gosvamis, and especially by being in the association of a raganuga-bhakta. Without the association of such raganuga-bhaktas, the pastimes of Krsna and the gopis will not be properly understood.</p> <p>What is the nature of genuine greed? How can we know whether or not our greed is genuine?</p> <p>When a sadhaka hears from raganuga-rasika Vaisnavas about the sweet pastimes of Krsna, especially His pastimes with the gopis, whether this be from Srimad-Bhagavatam, Krsna-Karnamrta, Ujjvala-Nilamani, Radha-Rasa-Sudha-Nidhi, or any other books, his citta-vrtti (heart) becomes very eager to aquire the moods of Krsna’s parikaras (associates). At that time he becomes absorbed in Sri Krsna’s rupa (form), guna (qualities), and lila (pastimes).</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> When the heart is filled with the qualities of Krsna, and the form of Krsna.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Do you know the meaning of citta-vrtti?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Spiritual…inner… What’s the word? Inner…</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> I want that word.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Consciousness? Inner consciousness?</p> <p>Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Consciousness. In this connection citta-vrtti means ‘mind’ or ‘heart.’ When our citta-vrtti eagerly desires to be like those of Krsna`s eternal associates, in other words to have the moods of those eternal associates, that condition of the heart is its real or natural state, as opposed to the imposed worldly citta-vrtti.</p> <p>At this time, the devotee is not interested in examining sastric orders. He will only want to achieve that mood which he sees in his asraya-gopi, the gopi for whose mood he has developed greed. This is genuine greed.</p> <p>Do you understand? Can you say what is meaning of lobha, greed?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> It is when a person hears the descriptions of Srimad-Bhagavatam about Radha and Krsna, and then thinks of the feelings the gopis have for Krsna.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> He wants to have…</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> He wants to have that same feeling that is within them, strongly; that is lobha.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> That is lobha, but you have left out one thing. Those with lobha are not regulated by sastric orders or bindings. Such orders are left untouched.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Rules and regulations are not there.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> The rules and regulations of sastra are not needed at all.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Otherwise it is vaidhi.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> For example, one may see some rasagullas or rabhries (Indian sweets) and, whether or not he has the money to pay for those sweets, he may at once develop greed for them. He will exclaim, “Very tasteful!” Similarly, in whatever stage a person may find himself, if he sincerely contemplates, “Oh! The mood of the gopis is very tasteful and very good. I have greed for that,” such greed has no bindings or consideration of sastric restrictions. If we judge that we are not qualified and we think that what we want is too high for us, this is a sign that we do not possess greed. Do you understand?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Please explain.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> If I desire a rasagulla but I think, “I have no money in my pocket to purchase it, so I cannot have it,” that means I have no real greed for it.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Greed goes beyond that.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Somehow or other, by hook or by crook…</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Beg, borrow, or steal.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> By stealing, or begging, or by any other means. Such a person does not think about his qualification or disqualification. He does not consider whether or not he is able to have this bhakti. He simply thinks, “I must have it!” This is real greed. Do you understand?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Heart’s desire.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> His desire must be overpowered by the form, qualities, and pastimes of Krsna. Then it will be called real greed.</p> <p>A sadhaka may ponder, “I have heard from the rasika Vaisnavas how Lalita, Visakha, Citra, Rupa Manjari and other associates serve Krsna, and I want to serve like them.” Not judging whether he is qualified to achieve this samajati-bhava (the identical mood for which one aspires), if he does not wait for any logical argument to convince him, that it is called greed.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Argument means ‘reasoning.’</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> It should come without relying on any reasoning. If reasoning is required, it is not greed.</p> <p>The next consideration is this: When greed comes, how does one achieve his desired result? It comes by the association of raganuga-rasika Vaisnavas. In that association one reads Ujjvala-Nilamani, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, especially Raga-vartma Candrika…</p> <p><strong>Sripad Madhava Maharaja:</strong> Vraja-riti Cintamani</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Vraja-riti Cintamani, Krsna-Karnamrta, Radha-Rasa-Sudhanidhi, Srila Jayadeva Gosvami’s Gita-govinda, and the books of Sri Kavi Karnapura and all our Gosvamis.</p> <p>One will have to read all of these books and resolve: “How can I easily achieve that mood, somehow, by hook or by crook. What is the easiest method to get this?” This should be the question.</p> <p>All of our acaryas, including Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, have recorded for us, in a practical way, how they themselves achieved it and how the sadhana-siddha-gopis achieved it. Their writings are authentic. One will search out their methods in sastra and follow the methods discussed therein, because without following sastra, without following the guidelines of Srila Rupa Gosvami, one will become sahajiya or atheist.</p> <p>A person with greed will never judge his qualification; this is the main point. Rather, he will take assistance from these books. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura is not personally present, but he is present through his books.</p> <p>It is important to understand that this greed will not come by personal effort alone. It comes only by the grace of Krsna Himself and by the grace of a raganuga-bhakta. Without their mercy one cannot have it.</p> <p>Bhakta-krpa, the mercy of Vaisnavas, is of two kinds: praktana (from previous lives), and adhunika (from this life). Praktana refers to mercy that comes from past births as well as the present birth. If a man has samskaras from his previous birth’s devotional activities and receives the mercy of a Vaisnava in this birth, he will very easily and quickly advance in bhakti. Perhaps he will not even have to again accept diksa, as in the case of some of our Gosvamis. Or, if he takes diksa, he will be seen to advance very rapidly.</p> <p>Srila Haridasa Thakura, Sri Svarupa Damodara, and Sri Raya Ramananda did not reveal their guru-parampara; yet they received the association of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and achieved their desired goal. This is an example of mercy due to purva-samskara, impressions accrued in previous births. [These transcendental personalities are eternal associates of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, not conditioned souls, and therefore they do not depend upon past samskaras. Yet, when they appear in this world, they set an example for us by their behavior. -ed] Do you understand? I will question you.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> All right.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Do you know the meaning of samskara?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> One has accrued some pious assets, purifications, and reformatory processes.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> I will be discussing the topic of samskaras, so try to understand the meaning.</p> <p>If one has no previous births’ samskaras but has somehow obtained greed by the causeless mercy of a qualified guru or Vaisnava, this is called adhunika-krpa (krpa means ‘mercy’). Such a person receives diksa from a raganuga Vaisnava guru. Or, if he has received diksa before developing greed, then he accepts a raganuga Vaisnava as his siksa-guru. He may serve both his siksa- and diksa-gurus with equal devotion. Or, in some cases he may serve the siksa-guru more closely than his anusthana-diksa-guru (the guru who gives the initiation mantras according to pancaratrika-vidhi), as did Sri Syamananda Prabhu, Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, and Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami. [Again, these transcendental personalities are not conditioned souls, but they give us many teachings by their own behavior. -ed]</p> <p>Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami’s diksa-guru was Yadunandana Äcarya, and afterwards Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu placed him in the hands of Sri Svarupa Damodara. Later, when Raghunatha dasa went to Vrndavana, he had the association of Srila Sanatana Gosvami and especially Srila Rupa Gosvami. Ultimately, Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami prayed to Srila Rupa Gosvami for all the activities of service described in his Vilapa Kusumanjali.</p> <p>Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami did not disclose the name of his diksa-guru; perhaps because he did not receive his devotional thoughts from him. Rather he acknowledged Rupa and Raghunatha, because he received all his moods from them. At the end of each chapter of his Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, he prayed:</p> <p><em>sri-rupa-raghunatha-pade yara asa<br />caitanya-caritamrta kahe krsnadasa</em></p> <p>["Praying at the lotus feet of Sri Rupa and Sri Raghunatha, always desiring their mercy, I, Krsnadasa, narrate Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, following in their footsteps."]</p> <p>Why does Raghunatha dasa Gosvami pray to Rupa Gosvami? Svarupa Damodara is Lalita-devi, and is therefore more qualified than Rupa Gosvami, who is Rupa Manjari. Yet, Raghunatha dasa prays only to Rupa Gosvami. Why? It is because he does not want to be a nayika (beloved heroine) of Krsna like Lalita and Visakha.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> He wants to be in manjari-bhava.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> Only manjari-bhava.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Madhava Maharaja:</strong> He wants to follow Rupa Manjari, because they are in the same category; the category of manjari.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> What is a manjari? We have heard about kamala-manjaris and mango-manjaris. Any creeper or good flower has manjaris. Although the manjari appears first and then the flower, the manjari is always located above the flower. When a bee comes to sit on the flower and drink its honey, the manjaris tremble, being overjoyed.</p> <p>Similarly, the Krsna-bee comes to Srimati Radhika, She glances at Him, and They engage in loving pastimes (prema-vilas). Although the ‘bee’ does not sit on the manjari, the manjari trembles, feeling as if the bee is sitting on her. Whatever the ‘flower’ experiences in those pastimes manifests in the manjari, so there is no need for the bee to go to her. She automatically feels everything felt by the flower. If the bee kisses the flower, then, seeing this, the manjari feels that “the bee has kissed me.”</p> <p>In fact, the manjari tastes something special, which even the flower does not taste, in the sense that the flower does not tremble as the manjari does. Similarly the maidservants of Srimati Radhika experience a pleasure in being Her maidservant, which She Herself dos not experience, and that pleasure is called bhava-ullasa rati.*[See Endnote 3]</p> <p>Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami wanted to be a manjari, not a flower. In other words he did not want sakhi-bhava (the mood of Srimati Radhika’s friends like Lalita and Visakha, who have direct relationships with Sri Krsna). Do you understand? Herein lies the importance of the manjaris. In our sampradaya no one wants to be Sri Radha’s sakhi; they only want to be Her kinkari. Are you totally following my words? Do you know the meaning of the word kinkari?</p> <p><strong>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</strong> Servant.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Madhava Maharaja:</strong> Maidservant</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> There is no equivalent word in English for kinkari. It is such a beautiful Sanskrit word, which refers to something very soft, very fragrant, and so sweet.</p> <p>We cannot learn these topics simply by reading books. No book will clarify the truths for you as we are discussing in this conversation. By discussing with me in this way, you can obtain more than what you can obtain by simply reading books.</p> <p><strong>Sripad Madhava Maharaja:</strong> These truths come only through realization.</p> <p><strong>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</strong> I do not say that I have any realization, but I have God’s mercy and Gurudeva’s mercy.</p> <p>(To be continued…)</p> <p>[<strong>*Endnote 1:</strong><br />Sneha - tender affection</p> <p>Maan - that stage of prema in which sneha reaches exultation, thus causing one to experience the sweetness of the beloved in ever new varieties (Ujjvala-nilamani 14.96), and when the nayika assumes an outward demeanor of pique which turns into transcendental anger and indignation arising out of jealous love.</p> <p>Pranaya - that intensified stage of prema when maan assumes a feature of unrestrained intimacy known as visrambha, or confidence devoid of any restraint or formality. This confidence causes one to consider one's life, mind, intelligence, body, and possessions to be one in all respects with the life, mind, intelligence, and body of the beloved.</p> <p>Raga - 1) an intensified stage of prema in which an unquenchable loving thirst (prema-mayi trsna) for the object of one's affection (Sri Krsna) gives rise to spontaneous and intense absorption in one's beloved, so much so that in the absence of the opportunity to please the beloved, one is on the verge of giving up his life; 2) when pranaya is experienced in the heart as immense pleasure. If by accepting some misery there is a chance to meet with Krsna, then that misery becomes a source of great happiness. And where happiness affords no opportunity to meet with Krsna, that happiness becomes the source of great distress.</p> <p>Anuraga - an intensified stage of prema as defined in Ujjvala-nilamani (14.146): "Although one regularly meets with and is well-acquainted with the beloved, the ever-fresh sentiment of intense attachment causes the beloved to be newly experienced at every moment, as if one has never before had any experience of such a person."</p> <p>Bhava - 1) loving emotions; a particular mood of love in which the devotee serves Krsna. 2) an intensified stage of prema which in Ujjvala-nilamani has been equated with maha-bhava, which occurs when anuraga attains a certain stage of exhilaration and relish. This can be experienced and relished only by anuraga itself and by no other bhava. When anuraga is adorned with the inflamed and exciting sattvika passions like molten gold and reaches its climax in Srimati Radhika, becoming identical with Her very temperament and dispositions, it is called bhava.</p> <p>Mahabhava - the most mature stage of prema.</p> <div id="attachment_1191" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px;"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1191" title="prabhupada_abiseka" src="http://backtobhakti.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/prabhupada_abiseka-300x210.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="210" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Srila Maharaja leading the ISKCON GBC and other devotees in performing Srila Prabhupada's divine samadhi festival after he gave Srila Prabhupada samadhi</p></div> <p><strong>*Endnote 2</strong>: Here it is necessary to know the meanings of raga, raganuga and ragatmika. Regarding this subject, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that the excessive attachment for many forms of sense enjoyment, which the materialist feels through natural contact with the sense objects, is called raga. Just as the eyes become agitated on seeing something beautiful, in the same way all the senses are always eager to taste pleasure, and thus the heart develops attachment (raga) for the sense objects. When Krsna is the exclusive object of this raga, it is called raga-bhakti. Srila Rupa Gosvami has defined this raga as iste svarasiki raga paramavistata (BRS 1.2.272). “The strong, natural and complete absorption in the cherished object of one’s devotion arising from an unquenchable love filled thirst is called raga.” When one is engrossed in krsna-bhakti at this level, it is called ragatmika-bhakti. This bhakti is especially found in the Vrajavasis, the eternal residents of Vraja. And, that bhakti which follows the moods of the ragatmikas is called raganuga. In other words, when, by the mercy of Sri Krsna and His devotees, one cultivates bhakti impelled by the greed to obtain the same mood as Krsna’s beloved associates, it is called raganuga-bhakti. (Raga-vartma-candrika, verse 2, purport by Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja)</p> <p><strong>*Endnote 3</strong>: bhava-ullasa-rati – Generally, devotees of the same mood and who are enriched with similar desires naturally share suhrd-bhava, intimate friendship, with each other. That is why the love and affection that Lalita and the other sakhis have for Srimati Radhika is called suhrd-rati. When their suhrd-rati is the same as or slightly less than their Krsna-rati (affection towards Sri Krsna), this is called sancari-bhava (a temporary emotion that is compared to the waves that swell and then return to the ocean of their permanent emotion of the mood of Krsna’s beloveds). In other words, this suhrd-rati becomes like the waves in the ocean of their prominent affection for Krsna; it is a sancari-bhava.</p> <p>In the case of the manjari-sakhis, their suhrd-rati (for Sri Radha and everything connected with Her), which abundantly exceeds their krsna-rati and which constantly increases by the moment due to their full absorption in it, is called bhava-ullasa-rati. This is a special feature of madhura-rasa. Of the five types of sakhis, only the nitya-sakhis and prana-sakhis, who are known as manjaris, have this bhava-ullasa-rati as their permanent emotions (sthayi-rati). It is no longer just a sancari-bhava. These manjaris nurture an abundance of sneha, tender affection, for Radhaji.</p> <p>It is seen that creepers are always endeavoring to embrace trees, but the leaves, flowers and buds (manjaris) of the creepers do not even slightly try to embrace the trees directly. When a creeper embraces a tree, the joy of those flowers, leaves, and manjaris automatically increases. In Sri Vrndavana Srimati Radhika stands supreme among all gopis. She is famous as the kalpa-lata (the creeper that fulfills every desire) of love for Sri Krsna. Some of Her sakhis have the nature of leaves, some are like flowers, and some like manjaris. That is why they are always eager for Srimati Radhika to meet with Krsna, and are carried away by the bliss of Their union. 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All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga.<br />For those of you who did not receive Part 1 and 2, you can find them on </span></span><a href="http://www.backtobhakti.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;">www.backtobhaki.com </span></span></a><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;">and </span></span><a href="http://www.purebhakti.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;">www.purebhakti.com</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;">. <br />In 1991 Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja led several members of the ISKCON GBC discussions on Raga-vartma-candrika, a famous Sanskrit treatise written by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura. Below is the Part 3 in that series of discussions, and we hope to send you the rest, one after another.<br />Your aspiring servants, the Harikatha Team]</span></span></p> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img alt="" src="http://co112w.col112.mail.live.com/mail/SafeRedirect.aspx?hm__tg=http://65.55.40.103/att/GetAttachment.aspx&hm__qs=file%3d0b009159-fb04-400e-b7a9-bc171e474d48.jpg%26ct%3daW1hZ2UvanBlZw_3d_3d%26name%3dcnZjMy5qcGc_3d%26inline%3d1%26rfc%3d0%26empty%3dFalse%26imgsrc%3dcid%253a9be6ff472c8a38ab07ec78f828b3e30a%26shared%3d1&oneredir=1&ip=10.12.150.8&d=d1412&mf=0&a=01_c1758cbb9bd48b731153c9b13945b5bddc692a14157f7cf3df50cce4fc6e34a7" width="500" border="3" height="356" /><br /><br /><b>Burijana dasa:</b> Dhanurdhara Maharaja and I were not here the last time you spoke, but we listened to the tape.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Dhanurdhara Maharaja: </b>But we couldn’t understand from the tape what you were doing. We couldn’t understand your hand-motions.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> The manjaris.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Dhanurdhara Maharaja:</b> It was about the manjaris. You said, “It is like this.”<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: </b>Tamal Krsna Maharaja can describe more than I.<br /><b><br />Sripad Dhanurdhara Maharaja:</b> He already told us, but we want to hear it from your realizations.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>You told us that what you were saying was not in any book.<br /><b><br />Burijana dasa: </b>My understanding from that example was that the heart of Rupa Manjari is so dedicated to Srimati Radharani that she feels everything Srimati Radharani feels. I also understood by your statement at the end that one must be dedicated to his guru in the same way. Without surrender and without giving one’s heart to the guru, it doesn’t work, especially in raganuga.<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> This surrender and complete dedication of the heart to guru is called tadatmya (oneness of heart) in Sanskrit. When an iron rod is placed in fire, the qualities of the fire enter the iron. When fire permeates an iron rod it is the fire that burns other objects; it is not that the iron rod burns other objects; The iron rod may ‘consider,’ “I am fire,” in the sense that the qualities of the iron have become one with the qualities of the fire; it now does the work of fire.<br /> Similarly Sri Rupa Manjari and all the other manjaris are tadatmika (one in heart) with Radha, so the action of Radha becomes the action of all the manjaris. In other words, whatever She realizes is also realized by every manjari; nothing is hidden from them. Some things may be hidden from Her sakhis, but not from Her manjaris.<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>So, today you will carry on from where you left off?<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: </b>Do you want to hear the rest?<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> Oh yes, very much. Just from what you have been speaking, it is already so helpful.<br /><br /><b>Burijana dasa:</b> I would like to have the references for the first two verses.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> The verses are found in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu.<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> I told them three slokas, the first of which is this:<br /><br />krsnam smaran janam casya prestham nija samihitam<br />tat tat katha ratas casau kuryad vasam vraje sada<br /><br />["While remembering Sri Krsna and His beloved associates whom we desire to follow, being fully absorbed in discussions of their pastimes, one should always reside in Vraja. If this is not possible, then one should reside there by mind." (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.294)]<br /><br />Have you heard the explanation of that sloka? It refers to remembering Krsna along with His dearmost associates.<br /><br />And here is the second sloka:<br /><br />seva sadhaka rupena siddha rupena catra hi<br />tad bhava lipsuna karya vraja-lokanusaratah<br /><br />["On this path of raganuga, being charmed by the intense love of Krsna’s beloved Vrajavasis, the sadhaka lives in Vraja under the guidance of those devotees who have taken shelter of the Vrajavasis (like Sri Rupa, Sanatana and Raghunatha dasa Gosvamis), always eager to serve them in his present physical body. And, in the perfected stage of his siddha-rupa, his internally conceived spiritual body suitable for performing prema-seva, he engages in the cherished service of Sri Krsna according to the mood he desires to obtain. In this regard he follows in the footsteps of the eternal residents of Vraja, such as Sri Radhika, Lalita, Visakha, and Sri Rupa Manjari."]<br /><br />Seva means ‘service.’ Sadhaka-rupena refers to functioning in this world as a practitioner of raganuga-bhakti, and siddha-rupena refers to serving in one’s perfected spiritual body, which is achieved when intense greed arises. By the grace of guru and Krsna, the devotee’s siddha-sarira (spiritual form) is revealed in his inner heart. In this connection it is written in Caitanya-Caritamrta (Madhya-lila 22.157):<br /><br />mane nija siddha deha koriya bhavana<br />ratri dine kore vraje krsnera sevana.<br /><br />["With one’s siddha-sarira, revealed by the mercy of guru, one serves Sri Radha-Krsna Yugala (the Divine Couple) day and night in Vraja.”]<br /><br /> Each and every jiva has an individual spiritual body (siddha-sarira). We also have our own spiritual body, but it has not yet manifested; now it is in a seed stage. Just as an entire tree is contained within the seed of that tree, our full siddha-sarira with all its characteristics now exists in seed-form. However, because we are now bahirmukha, meaning that we have turned away from Krsna, that siddha-sarira is not seen. When, by the grace of guru and Gauranga our greed sprouts and subsequently fully blossoms, the siksa-guru or diksa-guru may show us our siddha-sarira. First, he will tell us what our constitutional spiritual identity is, as we see in Jaiva Dharma that the guru of Vrajanatha and Vijaya-Kumara told each of them the nature of their individual spiritual forms.<br /> Our siddha-sarira is now in a latent condition. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura tells that in one life it can be revealed, but I see that for us it is many births away. He has simply showed the path.<br /> When Vrajanatha and Vijaya Kumara took diksa, they saw Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu with all His parikaras (associates) standing with Him. At the time of our diksa we were unable to see them, but they are fully visible to a realized soul. This is real diksa.<br /> We have entered in the class of diksa, but our diksa is not complete. We are in class now. May God and guru shower their grace upon us so that we can take full diksa, meaning divya-jnana (receiving actual transcendental knowledge) and divya-darsana (receiving spiritual vision). Divya-jnana implies divya-darsana, as we see with Vijaya Kumara and Vrajanatha. They had darsana of the Lord at the time of their diksa initiation, and they at once fainted.<br />After that, they took all necessary siksa in Navadvipa from Sri Raghunatha dasa Babaji. Then, and on his order, they went to Puri where they met Vakresvara Pandita’s disciple Sri Gopala-guru Gosvami for further inquiries and siksa.<br /> Gopal-guru Gosvami is a raganuga Vaisnava and is one of the eight principal sakhis. Having realized that Vrajanatha was in sakhya-bhava and that Vijaya Kumara was in gopi- or manjari-bhava, he revealed to them their identities. He was so merciful that he called them one at a time and told them, “You are a cowherd friend of Krsna,” and “You are a maidservant of Srimati Radhika.”<br /> He gave both of them the asta-dasaksara (eighteen syllable) gopala-mantra. Dasya, sakhya, vatsalya, and madhura-bhavas are all found in this mantra; it nourishes and supports every rasa. [Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu received from His Gurudeva the dasaksara-mantra, which is “gopi-janavallabhaya svaha.” When “klim krsnaya govindaya” precedes “gopi-janavallabha svaha,” it becomes asta-dasaksara, an eighteen-syllable mantra. –ed]<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> You said that Gopala-guru Gosvami gave the mantra to both Vrajanatha and Vijaya Kumara, and you said that this one mantra is for all rasas: dasya, sakhya, and madhurya.<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Everything is there in the mantra klim krsnaya govindaya gopi-janavallabhaya svaha, meaning that the rasas of all jivas are supported by it.<br /> But there is one thing to consider. Krsna (krsnaya) is the Deity for one in dasya and sakhya-rasa. For that devotee, the name Gopi-janavallabha (gopi-janavallabhhaya) is the adjective describing Krsna’s qualities; i.e., it qualifies the first name.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> Krsnaya.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Krsnaya. Who is Krsna? A devotee in dasya-rasa considers, “He is my master and I am His servant.” Such a devotee thinks that Krsna is Gopi-janavallabha in a general way.<br /> Krsna is the prominent name for those in sakhya-rasa as well; such devotees stress on Krsna or Govinda. However, those who have gopi-bhava, or manjari-bhava, focus on Gopi-janavallabha, and the other two words, krsnaya and govindaya, will be adjectives of gopi-janavallabhaya.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>What about those in vatsalya-rasa?<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Vatsalya follows the same principle.<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>They focus on Krsna?<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> They focus on Krsna as the Deity with whom they are related. Everyone with vatsalya-bhava knows in an ordinary way that the gopis love Krsna, but they have no …<br /><b><br />Sripad Madhava Maharaja</b>: Idea.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: </b>They have an idea of that love, but no experience. Idea and experience are not the same. Devotees with vatsalya-bhava do not know that all the young gopis engage in intimate loving affairs with Krsna, and the sakhas also do not know the nature of those exchanges.<br /> For one with greed like the manjaris or gopis, ‘go’ in this mantra will refer to the gopis. He meditates that “Govinda gives so much ananda (pleasure) to the gopis. Such a devotee will not contemplate other meanings. And he thinks, “By His appearance with five flower arrows (His smiling, His flute-playing, His beautiful cheeks, His eyebrows, and His side-long glances), Krsna is immensely attractive.” In this way, the two other names will support the name Gopi-janavallabha. Thus, the devotee with madhurya-bhava will see the other names as adjectives of that name with whom he is related.<br /> Practically everyone in our sampradaya stresses on Gopi-janavallabha. By the grace of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those who come to this sampradaya are mainly of gopi-bhava. Some may be of other rasas, like Srivasa Thakura, Murari Gupta, Anupama, and others like them.<br /> Thus, Vrajanatha and Vijaya Kumara received the same mantra, although their siddha-dehas (spiritual bodies) were in separate rasas. Vijaya Kumara saw his Gurudeva as a manifestation of Lalita, and Vrajanatha saw him as a manifestation of Baladeva Prabhu or Subala.<br /><br /> It can happen like this. Guru gives training for serving under the guidance of Lalita and Visakha in madhura-rasa. Rupa Manjari, who is Radhika’s prana-sakhi (in the group of Her most intimate maidservants), also gives training in all the services of Radhika’s maidservants. She does so not as a guru, but as a very intimate bosom friend. In madhura-rasa, everyone has to go to Rupa Manjari for training in order to serve as a manjari. We can see our guru as a manifestation of Rupa Manjari, not as Rupa Manjari herself. Our vision of guru should not be mayavada. You understand?<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>Can you please explain that point?<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> We should see our Gurudeva as a manifestation of Rupa Manjari; that is quite proper. This is what is meant by saying that Gopala Guru Gosvami was seen as Lalita and also as Subala. It means that he is their manifestation, just as one can see Narayana, Vamana, and all other incarnations in Krsna. Anyone can see his guru in this way, according to one’s inner bhava, as a manifestation. Otherwise, seeing him directly as Rupa Manjari will be mayavada (impersonalism); it is essential to always keep mayavada very far away.<br /> Here in this verse, seva-sadhaka-rupena means that one externally performs service as Rupa Gosvami did. What did he do?<br /><br />sankhya-purvaka-nama-gana-natibhih kalavasani-krtau<br />nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau catyanta-dinau ca yau<br />radha-krsna-guna-smrter madhurimanandena sammohitau<br />vande rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau<br />(Sad Gosvamyastakam 6)<br /><br />["I worship the Six Gosvamis, who passed all their time in chanting the holy names, singing songs, and offering dandavat-pranama, thereby humbly fulfilling their vow to complete a fixed number daily. In this way they utilized their valuable lives and conquered over eating, sleeping, and other such pleasures. Always very meek and humble, they became enchanted in divine rapture from remembering Sri Radha-Krsna’s sweet qualities."]<br /><br />Sometimes he would go to Radha Kunda, sometimes to Govardhana, and sometimes to Nandagram. In Nandagaon he would sometimes go to Ter Kadamba, and sometimes he would spend one day at Uddhava Kyari, Nanda Baithak, Kokilavana, or Javat. He visited all these dearmost places.<br /> He always liked to be in Javat, because Srimati Radhika, Rupa Manjari, and all of Radhika’s friends used to live there. At night they would go from there to meet with Krsna in Sanket, Seva Kunja, and many other places, and at midday they would meet at Radha Kunda. Radha Kunda holds some greater importance than all other places, because the pastimes there take place in the daytime, with only Srimati Radhika’s gana (group).<br /><b><br />Sripad Madhava Maharaja: </b>Her gana means Her svapaksa-sakhis (the gopis of Her own party)<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Only the svapaksa gopis can come there. The vipaksa gopis (those in the rival party) and tatastha gopis (those in the neutral party and who have some inclination to the rival party) are not allowed, nor can…<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> Nanda and Yasoda.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: </b>They never come there.<br /> In this way, sadhaka-rupena refers to following the Six Gosvamis, especially Rupa Gosvami, and siddha-rupena refers to following Rupa Gosvami in his siddha form as Rupa Manjari. As a sadhaka, Rupa Gosvami comes in a male form, as Rupa Gosvami, and in his siddha-svarupa (spiritual form in Goloka Vrndavana) he is Rupa Manjari. What services does Rupa Manjari perform?<br /><br />tambularpana pada mardana payo danabhisaradhibhir<br />vrndaranya-mahervarim priyataya yas tosayanti priyah<br />prana-prestha-sakhi-kulad api kilasaíkocita bhumikah<br />keli-bhumisu rupa-manjari-mukhas ta dasika samsraye<br />(Vraja-Vilasa-Stava, verse 38, Raghunatha dasa)<br /><br />["She brings Radha and Krsna tambula (a betel nut preparation) and water that has been very sweetly flavored with milk and herbs (payo-dana). Tambul arpana: She brings a golden pot when Radhika and Krsna want to spit the betel after chewing it."]<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> A spittoon.<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> A golden pot is placed there.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> For Their pana.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Then, abhisara (amorous tryst, or lovers’ rendevous). Do you know the meaning of abhisara? This is when Srimati Radhika meets Krsna in Sanket-sthali (a place of meeting). For example, She goes to meet with Him on Purnima.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Madhava Maharaja: </b>The full-moon night.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: </b>She dresses in white on the full moon night, and also during Suklapaksa, the fifteen days of the waxing moon. She dresses completely in white when She goes out for Her nocturnal meeting with Krsna on the full-moon night, and on the preceding nights she dresses in white in accordance with the gradual increase of the moon. Even though Her complexion is fair and very golden, at that time She has Her manjaris rub camphor mixed with many other ingredients on Her body.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>Why?<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> In order to make Her appear white.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>Why?<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> In that way, if anyone looks in Her direction they would think they are seeing only moon-rays.<br /><b><br />Sripad Dhanurdhara Maharaja:</b> It is a disguise.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> This is Her disguise. <br /> And at that time the manjaris bind Her ankle bells so that they will not make any tinkling sound.<br /><br /><b>Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami: </b>No noise.<br /><br /><b>Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> No noise should be heard; and because She must not be seen, Her sari and veil should also be white.<br /> Conversely, on a dark-moon night (amavasya) a sakhi tells Srimati Radhika, “The night is dark, so You must train how to go there.” Srimati Radhika then practices, at midnight. At that time She has Her sakhis take kalasas (pots) full of water and pour them in Her courtyard in order to make it muddy and very slippery.<br /><b><br />Sripad Tamal Krsna Gosvami:</b> Practice.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> Then they place thorns here and there on that muddy ground. They have created a setting as if Radhika is walking in a forest on a cloudy night, with rain falling very heavily, making the earth extremely slippery, with many serpents and thorns as well.<br />So in this situation how can She go to Krsna? She practices during the night, by moving very quietly and cautiously. Like this. Do you know the word for this type of walking?<br /><b><br />Sripad Dhanurdhara Maharaja:</b> Tip-toe. Very quietly. It’s called tip-toe.<br /><b><br />Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:</b> As Lalita trains Srimati Radhika in this way, Rupa Manjari watches, and our guru in this world, as sakhi-manjari in that world, also watches.<br /> The manjaris know everything – at what time they should go and how they should go – and they very cleverly make all arrangements. This is abhisara.<br />Krsna is waiting at Sanketa. The night is dark, and it is raining. The manjaris come there first to find Krsna and tell Him that Srimati Radhika will not come that night. Actually, Radhika has already come and is hiding, watching to see Krsna’s reaction. In order to further increase Krsna’s desire for Srimati Radhika, the manjaris lie to Him, saying, “She will not come tonight.” Krsna practically faints at that time, and anxiously suggests a way for Radhika to meet with Him. If the manjaris see that Krsna is sincerely hankering to meet with Radhika, they at once go and tell Her, and She then comes to Him. Otherwise, She will not come.<br /> Sometimes, when it is time for abhisara, it may be that their fathers-in-law or mothers-in-law, or all of their sisters-in-law, are present in their homes. The manjaris must be so clever that they can find a way to cheat their in-laws, telling them lies and cleverly devising a way for Radha and Krsna to meet. This is called abhisara. The manjaris perform all these activities; they know so many clever tricks.<br /><br /></span></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/purebhakti" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img alt="" src="http://co112w.col112.mail.live.com/mail/SafeRedirect.aspx?hm__tg=http://65.55.40.103/att/GetAttachment.aspx&hm__qs=file%3d9d3f5c27-dc15-42cb-bc0f-489f8cbb394d.jpg%26ct%3daW1hZ2UvanBlZw_3d_3d%26name%3dcHVyZWJoYWt0aW9uZmFjZWJvb2syLmpwZw_3d_3d%26inline%3d1%26rfc%3d0%26empty%3dFalse%26imgsrc%3dcid%253aaef5e6f805e7317c1c0ca7664c1c7512%26shared%3d1&oneredir=1&ip=10.12.150.8&d=d1412&mf=0&a=01_c1758cbb9bd48b731153c9b13945b5bddc692a14157f7cf3df50cce4fc6e34a7" width="700" border="0" height="235" /></span></span></a></p>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877938722642861681noreply@blogger.com